[alberg30] small traditional day cruiser--Carl Alberg's personal boat?

[RABBIT649 at aol.com]

From: RABBIT649 at aol.com

So, Alberg chose the Commander as his personal boat, huh? I knew I was onto 
something when I saw the one that I saw.
My only quibble with it was that the self bailing cockpit on that Commander 
was a little shallow for legroom and sitting height, a necessary side effect 
of a hull much smaller than an Alberg 30's.
Can Sanders or anyone whose seen both tell me which has the deeper (better?) 
cockpit, the Commander or the Bristol 27 Weekender to which it seems most 
closely compares?
Thanks.
Regards,
Paul
#23 Ashwagh

In a message dated 1/31/00 8:26:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, tristan at one.net 
writes:

> From: Scott Wallace <tristan at one.net>
>  
>  Paul and company,
>  
>  I sail a 1963 Pearson Electra, a cruising version of the popular Ensign
>  daysailer...The Electra was Pearson's second sailboat to market, on the 
> heels of
>  the Triton (28') then the Electra (22'6") then Ariel (25'6")...We sailed 
our
>  little Electra on Lake Erie for the first year we owned her.  We had 
crewed 
> with
>  friends from Milwaukee aboard their 1926 Alden wooden schooner on Lake 
> Michigan,
>  I have sailed a 50' wooden schooner off of Ocracoke Island in the Sound 
and 
> have
>  sailed Tanzer 26's on Lake Huron in Ontario...but OUR first vessel on big 
> water
>  under our command was our Electra.  We sailed from Spring through Fall out 
> of
>  Mentor on the Lake about 30 miles east of Cleveland.  Quite often during
>  excellent sailing weather we were the only sailboat out we could see 
except 
> for
>  a Swede 55 and a Pearson 35 out of the Mentor Harbor Yacht Club.  They 
> always
>  gave us a thumbs up when they saw our trusty little Alberg designed Electra
>  making her way through six footers along with the big boys.  Our Electra 
> always
>  felt safe, has a self bailing cockpit and bridge deck (good to avoid any
>  suprises in the cockpit from big waves).  We enjoy our Electra 
tremendously 
> and
>  find her great for daysailing, a little cramped for overnighting...we did 
> enjoy
>  an early Spring and late Fall nightover...it was nice, snug and 
warm...tried
>  sleeping aboard thrice during the hot Ohio summer months and got no sleep
>  between the incessant rattling of the halyards and the worse, far worse 
> nasty
>  high pitched whine of attack mosquitos!  Carl Alberg chose the daysailing
>  version of the Ariel, the Commander, as his own personal sailing vessel.  
He
>  sailed out of the Boston Yacht Club in his home town of Marblehead,
>  Massachusetts.  He just loved his Commander!  As badly as my wife and I 
> would
>  love an Alberg 30, our budget and finances as well as four to six hour 
> distance
>  from Lake Erie preclude us owning anything larger than the Electra.  It is 
> low
>  to the water and fun to sail!  Ted Turner still keeps a couple of Ensigns 
to 
> use
>  for his "sports car" boats.  He enjoys the low slung great handling of the
>  largest keelboat class in America!
>  The Alberg designed 19' Typhoon and 23' SeaSprite are other great little
>  daysailer cruisers, especially that ole Sea Sprite!  We bought a new 
trailer 
> for
>  our Electra from Triad Trailers and it is wonderful!
>  
>  Scott Wallace
>  Cincinnati Sailor, Spindrift Electra 216
>  
>  RABBIT649 at aol.com wrote:
>  
>  > From: RABBIT649 at aol.com
>  >
>  > Dear Sanders,
>  >     Your broad knowledge and well developed esthetic prompt me to ask 
you 
> for
>  > your help and opinion. Anyone else who wants to chime in, I'm grateful.
>  >     What's out there in traditional hulls from 20-28' with a big cockpit 
> and
>  > little or no cabin, for weekending and gunkholing a big bay? I love the
>  > Pearson Ensign, but I still want a self bailing cockpit, for 
bayworthyness.
> 
>  > I've seen a Pearson Commander once (Ariel hull 25'6" with a small 
cuddy-If
>  > anybody knows of any for sale, please let me know.) and now, from 
Sanders,
>  > the Bristol 27 weekender (which I still haven't seen a picture of-- the 
> site
>  > has a picture only of the cruising model). Any others? Any for sale? My 
> knees
>  > are shot, I think my Alberg 30 days may be coming to a close. I need less
>  > boat (unless I decide to buy a floating condominium, which isn't likely).
>  >     Thanks to Sanders and to all who write.
>  > Paul Cicchetti
>  > #23 Ashwagh
>  > rabbit649 at AOL.com
>  >
>  > In a message dated 1/31/00 12:49:59 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>  > SandersM at aol.com writes:
>  >
>  > > David, greetings.
>  > >
>  > >  The B24s aren't in the same class, in terms of design and 
construction 
> and
>  > >  sailing performance, as the B29/30, or the Alberg 30.  You can do a 
lot
>  > >  better for the money.
>  > >
>  > >  If you're looking for a good sailing vessel that is handsome and
>  > affordable,
>  > >
>  > >  and the older Bristols and Alberg 30s move you, you might try to find 
> what
>  > > is
>  > >  called a Bristol 27 Weekender, which is (surprise!) another Alberg 
> design.
>  >
>  > >  Bristol built two versions of the 27 -- the standard 27 is a shrunken
>  > > version
>  > >  of the 29, but the interior is cramped, and the coachroof is ungainly.
>  > The
>  > >  Weekender has the same hull, but with a longer cockpit and a short
>  > coachroof;
>  > >
>  > >  below, she has four simple berths and makes no effort to accommodate 
> more
>  > >  than 2-3 people for more than 2-3 days.  The Weekender is one of the
>  > >  prettiest boats you'll ever see, a real head-turner -- a gorgeous 
> classic
>  > >  Alberg hull with low freeboard and a sweeping sheer.  They're powered 
> by
>  > >  outboards that you mount in a well hidden in the lazarette so it 
doesn'
> t
>  > > hang
>  > >  off of the transom.
>  > >
>  > >  They didn't make too many Weekenders, so they're not easy to come by. 
 
> But
>  > > if
>  > >  you can find one for sale, you can probably pick it up for somewhere
>  > around
>  > >  $6,000 to $8,000, assuming she's in decent shape.  Less, obviously, if
>  > she's
>  > >
>  > >  tired and in need of a good home.
>  > >
>  > >  If you want to learn more about the Bristols, there is a very good Web
>  > site
>  > >  devoted to them which you can view at this URL:
>  > >
>  > >  http://members.aol.com/bristol32/bristolyachts.html
>  > >
>  > >  Good luck!  There are many options -- keep looking.  Find a 
> thoroughbred
>  > > that
>  > >  makes your heart leap when you're taking the launch out to her.  I 
find
>  > that
>  > >
>  > >  the A30 does that for me, but there are many others that would as 
well.
>  > The
>  > >
>  > >  Weekender would do it.  So would a pretty 24-footer with a canoe stern
>  > > called
>  > >  a Quickstep.  So would a 28-foot Southern Cross, another canoe-stern
>  > pocket
>  > >  cruiser that is easy on the eyes.
>  > >
>  > >  Sanders

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