[Alberg30] Re: Public-list digest, Vol 1 #155 - 6 msgs
Beverly Dodds
danucanada at sympatico.ca
Thu Mar 29 12:59:31 PST 2001
Re: Rudder Post Leak, my boat is no. 154, an older version. The water enters the cockpit from
around the rudder post at a fairly high rate in more extreme wave conditions. I have not had a
chance yet to crawl inside to see if there is a stuffing box but from your comments, I should not
expect to find one. I will try to add "O" rings as suggested by Charles Haggart. We launch at
the end of April so will have to wait and see if it works.
Bev Dodds
StageOne No. 154
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> 1. Re: holes in the keel (RABBIT649 at aol.com)
> 2. Re: RUDDER POST (George Dinwiddie)
> 3. Re: Alberg 30 Rudder post (Douglas Wight)
> 4. RE: RUDDER POST (Charles Haggart)
> 5. Re: Alberg 30 Rudder post (Mike Lehman)
> 6. Re: Alberg 30 Rudder post (John Birch)
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> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] holes in the keel
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:50:06 EST
> From: RABBIT649 at aol.com
> Reply-To: public-list at alberg30.org
> To: public-list at alberg30.org
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> In a message dated 3/28/01 12:44:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> george at kwequipment.com writes:
>
> > while scrubbing and rubbing in the bilge for two days i have found what
> > looks like a red wood 2x6 on edge set in what looks concrete one end
> wedged
> > to a unknown member aft and a cast block fwd.. two questions! is this
> > as built ? and also i have seen posts about keel drain plugs was this in
> > early or late boats as i am thinking about drilling a hole in the
> > keel (under side) to find out how much water is trapped there. George
> > from Mich. # 259
> Yes, it is as built. That piece of wood was used to properly position the
> pig-iron ballast when it was lowered into the boat. If you do drill from the
> outside around the ballast, you will find that the whole iron ballast is
> bedded in about 1/2 inch of cement and from the opening up of that rear
> section where the wood was, the cement is no doubt full of water. Even
> Thoroseal has some porosity. I have no magic solution. You might try leaving
> a gallon or so of alchohol in the bilge covering the rear of the ballast.
> Since alchohol is hydorscoppic, it should draw out the water and dry up the
> cement before you seal it off forever with West or Caulktex. Then you can
> pursue your drain hole in the rear where the bilge is lowest so the boat can
> stay dry in storage.
> Paul
> #23 Ashwagh
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>
> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] RUDDER POST
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:01:43 -0500
> From: George Dinwiddie <gdinwiddie at min.net>
> Reply-To: public-list at alberg30.org
> Organization: ~Hovel-On-The-Water~
> To: public-list at alberg30.org
> References: <3AC117A5.AEA2ADFD at sympatico.ca>
>
> Do you have a new-style or old-style boat? The old-style boats
> don't have a stuffing box on the rudder post. The fiberglass
> tube extends to the cockpit sole. I know that they can squirt
> water into the cockpit, but I don't know the fix for that. I
> hope someone with experience will chime in.
>
> The newer boats have a stuffing box with is difficult to reach.
> I cut the plywood bulkhead in the port seat locker in half
> (vertically) and removed the aft half for access. After
> tightening it, I replaced the plywood using sheet-metal screws.
> I didn't replace the packing, though. When the stuffing box
> leaks, it doesn't get your feet wet, it leaks down into the
> bilge. Well, if you have a party in the cockpit and get it
> well under water, it could fill the boat above the floorboards
> and then get your feet wet, I guess.
>
> - George
>
> Beverly Dodds wrote:
> >
> > I want to try to spot the water leak at the rudder post before launch
> > this year. I would like to re-pack the stuffing box. Has anyone done
> > this? What material do you use? Do you know of a source in the Toronto
> > area?
> > Looking forward to dry feet this year.
>
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>
> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Alberg 30 Rudder post
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:29:11 -0500
> From: "Douglas Wight" <doug at recorder.ca>
> Reply-To: public-list at alberg30.org
> To: <public-list at alberg30.org>
>
> Beverly: Your e-mail address as below does not work. DW.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Douglas Wight <doug at recorder.ca>
> To: <danucanada at ssysmpatico.ca>
> Sent: 28-Mar-01 10:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Alberg 30 Rudder post
>
> > Hi Beverly : Here is the first message. Regards, Doug Wight.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Douglas Wight <doug at recorder.ca>
> > To: <public-list at alberg30.org>
> > Sent: 21-Oct-00 6:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Alberg 30 Rudder post
> >
> >
> > > Hi Beverly : When I hear of water coming in by the rudder post it
> makes
> > me
> > > shudder. When I bought Owlet #603 I was told afterwards that the
> previous
> > > owner had to go down and pump out the boat every day. Whenever I
> motored
> > at
> > > 2/3 throttle and especially if I had company in the cockpit I was sure
> to
> > > take on a fair bit of water. Sailing on the port tack was fine but on
> the
> > > starboard tack I took on lots of water.
> > >
> > > The bad news was that after having a professional take a look at the
> boat
> > he
> > > showed me the constant stream of water entering the hull between the
> > rudder
> > > gland casting and the hull. In my case there had obviously been a poor
> > > lay-up and poor contact of the FRP with the bronze casting. After lift
> > out
> > > I had to empty the boat of everything as I was warned that there would
> be
> > > fiberglass dust everywhere as he cut out the rudder post gland and then
> > > re-imbedded it. This was done and I have never had any further trouble.
> > >
> > > I hope that your problem is much simpler than my particular experience,
> > but
> > > if you are at all worried have a qualified person look at your boat.
> > >
> > > Yours Aye, Douglas Wight JN "Owlet".
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Beverly Dodds <danucanada at sympatico.ca>
> > > To: <public-list at alberg30.org>
> > > Sent: 14-Oct-00 6:39 PM
> > > Subject: [Alberg30] Alberg 30 Rudder post
> > >
> > >
> > > >
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> > > > In choppy seas, I have a back flow of water coming up through the
> rudder
> > > > post. Has anyone experienced this problem and do you have any
> > > > explanation / fix?
> > > >
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> Subject: RE: [Alberg30] RUDDER POST
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:40:41 -0500
> From: "Charles Haggart" <chaggart at sympatico.ca>
> Reply-To: public-list at alberg30.org
> To: <public-list at alberg30.org>
>
> I solved the water squirt into the cockpit problem. I removed the cover
> plate that holds the top of the rudder shaft as it comes throught the
> cockpit sole. What I saw was the top of the rudder tube and the rudder shaft
> coming out of it. I made up a few O rings. I had to fool around to get the
> right size that would fit in the space between the shaft and the tube. I
> slipped on two O rings and gently pushed them down the shaft as far as I
> could. This was a stop gap measure and I think the first job I did on the
> baot when I got her three years ago, it's been fine ever since. I've been
> meaning to put a proper stuffing box on the bottom of the rudder tube but I
> havn't got around to it yet.
>
> Charles Haggart # 150
>
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>
> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Alberg 30 Rudder post
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:07:31 -0500
> From: "Mike Lehman" <sail_505 at hotmail.com>
> Reply-To: public-list at alberg30.org
> To: <public-list at alberg30.org>
> References: <002901c0b854$403d59a0$f833eccf at sailor>
>
> I had a similar experience with my boat (#505) several years ago. Water was
> coming in somewhere around the rudder post, especially when motoring, but it
> was difficult to from where due to the tight space. From the lazarette, I
> re-packed the rudder stuffing box and tightened it down tight, but still had
> water coming in. Further investigation proved that the water was entering
> between the hull and the rudder tube itself. To repair it (with the boat on
> land), I removed the rudder; removed the engine (to allow access to that
> area); fortunately years earlier I had are re-located the fuel tank; then I
> ground away all of the fiberglass around the rudder tube (with a Dremel
> tool) and removed the rudder tube completely. Once everything was out I
> discovered that there was a large void in the area where the rudder tube
> passed through the boat. I cleaned everything up thoroughly and started the
> re-assembly process. I bedded the rudder tube in 3M 5200 (it took 2 entire
> tubes of 5200) and re-installed the rudder to hold everything in alignment.
> After the 5200 dried (it took almost two weeks) I re-glassed the tube and
> surrounding area inside the boat. Then I used to opportunity to paint the
> entire area. Once complete, I had the scare of my life, because the rudder
> would not turn. It seems some of the 5200 found its way between the tube and
> the rudder stock and she was glued in the straight ahead position. It took a
> little persuasion by I managed to free the rudder by working it back and
> forth. I am happy to report that..."it don't leak no more" and that repair
> was about 15 years ago.
>
> I consider this to be "worst case scenario" and sure hope no one else has to
> do this...it was not fun.
>
> Mike Lehman
> 840 Mill Creek Road
> Arnold, MD 21012
> (410) 544-9067 (Home)
> (443) 253-7054 (Mobile)
>
> sail_505 at hotmail.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Douglas Wight" <doug at recorder.ca>
> To: <public-list at alberg30.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 8:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Alberg 30 Rudder post
>
> > Beverly: Your e-mail address as below does not work. DW.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Douglas Wight <doug at recorder.ca>
> > To: <danucanada at ssysmpatico.ca>
> > Sent: 28-Mar-01 10:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Alberg 30 Rudder post
> >
> >
> > > Hi Beverly : Here is the first message. Regards, Doug Wight.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Douglas Wight <doug at recorder.ca>
> > > To: <public-list at alberg30.org>
> > > Sent: 21-Oct-00 6:28 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Alberg 30 Rudder post
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Beverly : When I hear of water coming in by the rudder post it
> > makes
> > > me
> > > > shudder. When I bought Owlet #603 I was told afterwards that the
> > previous
> > > > owner had to go down and pump out the boat every day. Whenever I
> > motored
> > > at
> > > > 2/3 throttle and especially if I had company in the cockpit I was sure
> > to
> > > > take on a fair bit of water. Sailing on the port tack was fine but on
> > the
> > > > starboard tack I took on lots of water.
> > > >
> > > > The bad news was that after having a professional take a look at the
> > boat
> > > he
> > > > showed me the constant stream of water entering the hull between the
> > > rudder
> > > > gland casting and the hull. In my case there had obviously been a
> poor
> > > > lay-up and poor contact of the FRP with the bronze casting. After
> lift
> > > out
> > > > I had to empty the boat of everything as I was warned that there
> would
> > be
> > > > fiberglass dust everywhere as he cut out the rudder post gland and
> then
> > > > re-imbedded it. This was done and I have never had any further
> trouble.
> > > >
> > > > I hope that your problem is much simpler than my particular
> experience,
> > > but
> > > > if you are at all worried have a qualified person look at your boat.
> > > >
> > > > Yours Aye, Douglas Wight JN "Owlet".
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Beverly Dodds <danucanada at sympatico.ca>
> > > > To: <public-list at alberg30.org>
> > > > Sent: 14-Oct-00 6:39 PM
> > > > Subject: [Alberg30] Alberg 30 Rudder post
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
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> > |
> > > > > | and use the e-coupon code APMK18
> > |
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > > In choppy seas, I have a back flow of water coming up through the
> > rudder
> > > > > post. Has anyone experienced this problem and do you have any
> > > > > explanation / fix?
> > > > >
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> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Alberg 30 Rudder post
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:40:10 -0500
> From: "John Birch" <Sunstone at idirect.com>
> Reply-To: public-list at alberg30.org
> To: <public-list at alberg30.org>
> References: <002901c0b854$403d59a0$f833eccf at sailor> <OE68QRmzeyNtqMk7LiH00006317 at hotmail.com>
>
> To Doug: The message does not work to Beverly because the address is wrong -
> it is sympatico.ca
> Cheers,
> John
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Douglas Wight" <doug at recorder.ca>
> > To: <public-list at alberg30.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 8:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Alberg 30 Rudder post
> >
> >
> > > Beverly: Your e-mail address as below does not work. DW.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Douglas Wight <doug at recorder.ca>
> > > To: <danucanada at ssysmpatico.ca>
> > > Sent: 28-Mar-01 10:52 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Alberg 30 Rudder post
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Beverly : Here is the first message. Regards, Doug Wight.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Douglas Wight <doug at recorder.ca>
> > > > To: <public-list at alberg30.org>
> > > > Sent: 21-Oct-00 6:28 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Alberg 30 Rudder post
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Beverly : When I hear of water coming in by the rudder post it
> > > makes
> > > > me
> > > > > shudder. When I bought Owlet #603 I was told afterwards that the
> > > previous
> > > > > owner had to go down and pump out the boat every day
>
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