[Alberg30] Re: Kicking the Tires

[Brian and Elaine Timmins]

Neil,
   Are you capable of undertaking the repairs yourself? None of the problems
you mentioned are insurmountable IF the price is right and you have the
experience or the gumption to do the required repairs. On the other hand, if
your the type of sailor that likes to let the yard do the work (or the yard
your in insists that they do the work) it might get pretty expensive.
   Yes, bronze will also show that green / blue corrosion. I assume the
large nut on the shaft behind the engine is the stuffing box, right?
   The Atomic 4 is an amazingly strong engine if it's taken care of. Bare
minimum, put the transmission in forward and turn the prop forward to make
sure the engine isn't frozen. If you get serious about this boat, try to get
the owner to start it up for you. All it takes is a bucket of water. There
is a lot of help available on the web for the Atomic 4.
   Fiberglass repairs aren't too hard to do. Buy the West System books
($3.00 ea. or there about). Do repair those cracks and holes before
launching.
   There has been lots of discussion on chainplates lately. I never did
anything to mine except inspect them, so I'll defer to the list on this
topic.
   A good surveyor should find all these things and probably some more that
you didn't spot. He'll probably give you a gloom and doom report, but if
your prepared to do the work and the price is right, go for it (at least for
the survey).
Good Luck,
Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil McPhail" <namcphail at hotmail.com>
To: <public-list at alberg30.org>
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 6:25 PM
Subject: [Alberg30] Re: Kicking the Tires


>
> Hi all:
>
> Thanks very much to everyone for their advice.  It came in very handy when
I
> had a good, long look at that mid-70s Alberg 30 yesterday.  For those of
you
> following along, here's what I found:
>
> 1.  The general condition was pretty good for a 27 year-old boat.  The
> interior woodwork needs cleaning up and refinishing, but otherwise she (or
> "it", if you agree with the recent Lloyd's decision) looks pretty clean.
> The hull and deck look like they've seen some of the world, but that's
> expected for this age of boat.  Best of all, there don't appear to be any
> soft, mushy, flexy or delaminated spots (as far as this non-surveyor can
> tell).
>
> 2.  The through-hulls have been updated to "proper" (as opposed to the
> "homemade" version that was mentioned), with ball valves.  I think one or
> two may be brass, though, since they are showing a lot of green coloured
> corrosion.  Does bronze also turn brightish green (or blue)when corroded?
> All are backed up by at least 1/2" plywood blocks and appear well bedded.
> That same corrosion can be seen on a large nut on the prop shaft, just
> behind the engine.
>
> 3.  Worry #1 - the Atomic 4 has about 1300 hrs on the engine (assuming the
> hour meter was installed at the start).  It's been painted white sometime
> not too long ago, and rust spots are already showing through (it looks
like
> a case of chicken pox).  The boat was on the hard and there was no way I
> could easily start it.  It's raw water cooled, so seems like a good idea
to
> convert to a fresh water system.  Should I be worried?
>
> 4.  Worry #2 - the bottom forward area of the keel looks like it has gone
> "crunch" on something hard.  The damage doesn't seem too severe, though.
> There are one or two small (dime-sized) holes through the gelcoat, and
it's
> obvious from this area that the two hull halves were joined together
> longitudinally when built.  Also, there is a 5-inch crack on the aft edge
of
> the keel, on one side only, just at the point where the upper gudgeon
> attaches.  Are these normal, or something else to really worry about?
>
> 5.  Worry #3 - I can second (or third) the recent comments about the chain
> plates and bolts.  This boat too has problems.  The starboard upper
> chainplate bolts have bent slightly, which has caused the chainplate to
pull
> away from the support knee (or plywood bulkhead - I can't remember which).
> Both forward lowers have pulled the support knees away from the vee-birth
> shelves, but still appear to be firmly attached to the hull.  This area
> definately needs some work.
>
> Thanks for reading this far.  Are these unusual problems for Alberg 30s?
> Should I walk away from this boat, or are the problems not so severe that
> the boat will still survey satisfactorily?  Are there any sure things in
> life?! :-)  (besides the two obvious ones, that is...).
>
> You Great Lakes guys must be heading back into the water now.  I sailed my
> C&C 25 for 5 years out of ABYC in Toronto until last year, and know how
> special this time of year feels.
>
> Regards,
>
> Neil
>
>
>
>
>
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