[Alberg30] Re:Public-list digest, Vol 1 #464 - 8 msgs

Fri Jan 25 07:29:11 PST 2002

I remember when I was getting a new main from Joe Fernandese we discussed
reef points location and the size of storm jibs and trisails - his answer
was it depends on what winds you will expect or might find yourself in -
there is no fixed/correct answer as the reef or sail will be too great for
some winds and too small for other winds.

Not trying to be cute here - but if you are going offshore you will likely
need both a larger and a smaller storm jib - though one trisail would do for
both, which would be about half of you deepest reef. If you find yourself
underpowered in heavy seas the chance you may fall off a large wave is
increased with insufficient power. If you are overpowered with too much
sail -well we all know what happens - you lay down and slide all over the
place. On Sunstone (A-37) our solution - being sailed shorthanded 90% of the
time - is to use our Shaffer 2000 roller furler and to roll up when past a
large #2 and then either change to a 105% #3 on the foil and/or set a storm
jib on a separate removable inner wire headstay set 42" back from the stem
on a highfield type lever ( it is tied through the deck to a stem knee with
a rod). Joe suggests that if the winds drop then unroll the larger Jib to
quickly pick up power and fly it like a Yankee. If the wind comes up again
roll it up and continue on the storm jib. We have a 45 sq ft ( from our
A-30) and a 90sq foot storm jib - one was built, the other inherited.

We have not yet tested this combo in any real wind as we have luckily been
going off the wind to our destination in those conditions.

If you are sailing only on the Chesapeake or Great Lakes, I believe the
standard 85% working jib is sufficient to get you home safe - maybe best to
set it off the genoa track for its wider slot and better support. You won't
go to weather as well, but in a gale you won't go to weather well anyway -
pointing not being much of a factor as you would crash off the waves (foot
foot foot). If you want a storm jib, they are not that expensive and used
will often suffice, if the cloth and more importantly the stitching is good.
You likely will not use it more than a couple of times.

How big a sail??? Whatever you think is the maximum wind you can carry sail
in - my guess is go for a 45sq ft - but it is a guess, and besides, if you
have it Murphy's Law will likely dictate you won't need to use it. It does
give piece of mind.

Hope these 2 cents are some help ....

John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian and Elaine Timmins" <timmins at optonline.net>
To: <public-list at alberg30.org>
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Re:Public-list digest, Vol 1 #464 - 8 msgs

> If you want to use it more often, sort of like a minimum working jib, the
> 100 sqft one should be fine. I have a less than full foretriangle working
> jib that I routinely use in early spring and sometimes in late fall, when
> the wind tends to be stronger. To me, a storm jib should be as small a
sail
> as possible and really only be used when you don't really want to be there
> anyway.
> ATN recommends there 60 sqft sail for up to 35' boats. I was researching
the
> idea of a storm jib for about a year before the deal I bought popped up.
The
> best info I found came straight from the mouth of Mrs. Bacon. I also
thought
> that 90 - 100 sqft would be the way to go, but she convinced me smaller is
> better and I think her logic on this topic is impeccable. See
> http://www.baconsails.com/stormjib.html for Bacon's area determination
> methods. Method 1 yields 40 - 70 sqft.
> Regards,
> Brian     #497
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan P. Kefauver" <apk2 at home.com>
> To: <public-list at alberg30.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 8:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Re:Public-list digest, Vol 1 #464 - 8 msgs
>
>
> > A30 has 189 sqft fore triangle. A 135 has about a 255 sqft area and a
150
> genoa is 280sqft. Mast height from deck is 34'3"?
> > Don't you think the 100 sqft Gale Sail would be OK with a double reefed
> main up to about 35 knots of wind? The smaller 60 sqft seems very small.
> >
> > Andante #152 (who likes to smack Catalina 30's around)
> >
> > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
> >
> > On 1/24/2002 at 6:51 PM Brian and Elaine Timmins wrote:
> >
> > >Hugh,
> > >  I found mine from a classified ad in Sails for Sale in the back of
> > >Soundings Magazine. The previous owner bought it thinking he was going
to
> > >move his boat from a lake in New Jersey to the coast and then do a
> coastal
> > >cruise to Florida. His plans fell through for some reason, so he put it
> up
> > >for sale.
> > >  The best place to buy one is probably from ATN at one of the sail
> shows.
> > >He routinely does both Annapolis and Atlantic City and probably does
all
> > >the
> > >major sailboat shows. Check out this link..............
> > >http://www.sailnet.com/store/item.cfm?pid=22276
> > >in Sailnet. There are only three premade sizes of Gale Sail. The small
> one
> > >is correct for the A30, at 60 sq. ft. (I think). Sailnet's standard
price
> > >is
> > >$610.00 but they almost always have some sort of sale going on.
> > >http://www.atninc.com/gale.html is a link direct to ATN's page on the
> Gale
> > >Sail. He also sells direct for $610.00 but does offer discounts at the
> > >shows.
> > >    Conceptually, it's great. I've had mine up just to make sure it
> > >fits/works/is ready. I added a wire rope pennant at the tack to pick it
> up
> > >off the deck and adjusted it's height so it sets correctly when sheeted
> to
> > >my inboard working jib tracks. I hoist it with a spinnaker halyard. I
> > >haven't had the need to actually use it yet, but it's ready to go when
> > >needed.
> > >Regards,
> > >Brian        #497
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: <hughfree at juno.com>
> > >To: <public-list at alberg30.org>
> > >Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 5:13 PM
> > >Subject: [Alberg30] Re:Public-list digest, Vol 1 #464 - 8 msgs
> > >
> > >
> > >> Brian and Elaine Timmins,
> > >>
> > >> Where did you buy your Gale Sail?  Can you give me the complete specs
> for
> > >the one you have?  I would like to order one.
> > >>
> > >> Hugh Freebairn
> > >> A30 "Aliage"
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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