[Alberg30] Re:Public-list digest, Vol 1 #464 - 8 msgs

Fri Jan 25 09:55:19 PST 2002

Yes, but the issue is not having a roller furler that can be easily taken down or changed (no foil), nor having an inner forestay. The whole thread started regarding how to sufficiently support a removable inner forestay. I have the A30's regular sails (work jib, #1, #2), and if I sailed with crew I would dump the furler. However when you are alone, changing sails on the foredeck in heavy weather while the autopilot steers could be considered down right stupid if not suicidal. So, the furler route is the best way to go until the wind pipes up. The inner forestay with the highfield lever sounds like the way to go, but supporting the stay on an A30 could be a non-do-it-yourself expensive proposition. Even if I brought it through the deck, I don't know where I would tie it to the hull. My bow chain locker is simply the mold side of the fiberglass deck and hull. I have considered putting a full size 3/4 ply plate under the deck (ie; roof the chain locker, spread the load) and dr!
illing a couple of holes below that in the back side of the bow stem, glassing in mollys and bolting a plate and turnbuckle to that extending with rigging wire up to the opposite side of the unsupported stay on the ply and through bolting onto the stay plate on deck. (ie a sandwich of highfield lever plate, fore deck, 3/4" ply, plated padeye).

However, no one has been able to assure me that I won't pull out of the stem fitting and separate the deck from the hull  (taking parts of the hull and deck with it) in a blow. I wonder if there is a rigger in Annapolis who would give us a great rate on doing 4-6 boats? There seems to be a great bit of interest in an inner removable forestay. I guess you could through bolt the stem all the way, would just be ugly.

Andante #152 (the GPS in my car keeps leading me towards the water)

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On 1/25/2002 at 10:29 AM John Birch wrote:

>I remember when I was getting a new main from Joe Fernandese we discussed
>reef points location and the size of storm jibs and trisails - his answer
>was it depends on what winds you will expect or might find yourself in -
>there is no fixed/correct answer as the reef or sail will be too great for
>some winds and too small for other winds.
>
>Not trying to be cute here - but if you are going offshore you will likely
>need both a larger and a smaller storm jib - though one trisail would do
>for
>both, which would be about half of you deepest reef. If you find yourself
>underpowered in heavy seas the chance you may fall off a large wave is
>increased with insufficient power. If you are overpowered with too much
>sail -well we all know what happens - you lay down and slide all over the
>place. On Sunstone (A-37) our solution - being sailed shorthanded 90% of
>the
>time - is to use our Shaffer 2000 roller furler and to roll up when past a
>large #2 and then either change to a 105% #3 on the foil and/or set a storm
>jib on a separate removable inner wire headstay set 42" back from the stem
>on a highfield type lever ( it is tied through the deck to a stem knee with
>a rod). Joe suggests that if the winds drop then unroll the larger Jib to
>quickly pick up power and fly it like a Yankee. If the wind comes up again
>roll it up and continue on the storm jib. We have a 45 sq ft ( from our
>A-30) and a 90sq foot storm jib - one was built, the other inherited.
>
>We have not yet tested this combo in any real wind as we have luckily been
>going off the wind to our destination in those conditions.
>
>If you are sailing only on the Chesapeake or Great Lakes, I believe the
>standard 85% working jib is sufficient to get you home safe - maybe best to
>set it off the genoa track for its wider slot and better support. You won't
>go to weather as well, but in a gale you won't go to weather well anyway -
>pointing not being much of a factor as you would crash off the waves (foot
>foot foot). If you want a storm jib, they are not that expensive and used
>will often suffice, if the cloth and more importantly the stitching is
>good.
>You likely will not use it more than a couple of times.
>
>How big a sail??? Whatever you think is the maximum wind you can carry sail
>in - my guess is go for a 45sq ft - but it is a guess, and besides, if you
>have it Murphy's Law will likely dictate you won't need to use it. It does
>give piece of mind.
>
>Hope these 2 cents are some help ....
>
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