[Alberg30] Correction
Roger L. Kingsland
rkingsland101 at ksba.com
Thu Oct 23 10:48:41 PDT 2003
Mike, et. al.;
As usual, great advice/information; thanks. The point RE using a permanent
tank for waste tipped the scale for me. The wealth of information available
through you and other pagers is most appreciated.
Roger
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Lehman" <sail_505 at hotmail.com>
To: "Alberg 30 public list" <public-list at alberg30.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Correction
> I would never use a permanent tank for waste. What if the tank became
permeated with odor? How would you change it? As a rule I never have waste
in the tank while the boat is not in use. When the boat is put away after
the weekend, I pump the tank, fill it with a fresh clean water rinse, and
then pump the rinse water. Mine has no odor after 6 years of use. I also
make sure to flush the lines with fresh water to prevent waste from
permeating the hoses.
>
> A couple of lesson here....
>
> Buy the best hoses you can. The double-wall rubber sanitation hose (about
$10 per foot) is the best. Use PVC elbows where you have to, but keep
connections to an absolute minimum. Do not use ALL PVC because of failure
due to freezing (I replace the fresh water lines to my pier every year
because they crack longitudinally even though they were drained). Avoid
having an "low spots" in the hose installation where waste can lay.
>
> The odor from the tank does NOT come from the waste! It comes from
anaerobic bacteria in the system. A well ventilated tank will create an
aerobic environment that will prevent the bacteria from growing (another
good reason to keep the tank emptied). Use two vents, one to each side of
the boat to promote free-flow of air through the tank.
>
> Done and maintained properly a holding tank will provide years of
odor-free service.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roger L. Kingsland
> To: Alberg30
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 3:14 PM
> Subject: [Alberg30] Correction
>
>
> RE message below sent a few minutes ago, please substitute effluent for
> affluent. Or, just change to read as follows:
>
> Lastly, imagine a 35 gallon holding tank! I could chauffer the affluent
and
> their effluent around
> the Chesapeake Bay all season, stopping only for the occasional Perrier
> delivery (they do deliver, don't they?).
>
> Sorry about the mix up. I would like to blame it on spell check
>
> Roger
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger L. Kingsland" <rkingsland101 at ksba.com>
> To: "Alberg 30 public list" <public-list at alberg30.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 1:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] More on Tanks
>
>
> > I think the pipe problem could be solved by hard plumbing with rigid
PVC
> > pipe. There is enough slope below bunk level to get positive drainage
and
> > the inside of the pipe is smooth (besides, I have a neighbor who is a
> > plumber). That begs the question, why isn't hard plumbing used more?
Any
> > thoughts, any one?
> >
> > Assuming that problem can be solved, then the question is what is the
> > difference between a water tank and holding tank and would it be
possible
> to
> > convert. For example, would a pressure test (if so, how much, how
long)
> > help determine adaptability of a tank?
> >
> > Lastly, imagine a 35 gallon holding tank! I could chauffer affluent
> around
> > the Chesapeake Bay all season, stopping only for the occasional
Perrier
> > delivery (they do deliver, don't they?).
> >
> > Roger Kingsland
> >
> >
> > Roger L. Kingsland, AIA
> > Managing Partner
> > Kingsland Scott Bauer Associates (KSBA)
> > N40° 27' 49" W79° 57' 59"
> > 3441 Butler Street
> > Pittsburgh, PA 15201
> > www.ksba.com
> >
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> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gordon LACO" <mainstay at csolve.net>
> > To: "Alberg 30 public list" <public-list at alberg30.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Alberg30] More on Tanks
> >
> >
> > > I agree... hoses are often the source of bad smells in otherwise
well
> done
> > > installations. I also agree with the earlier writer about
inflatable
> > > tanks... the consequences of trouble are too great to make it a good
> risk
> > to
> > > my mind; the plug I gave to Vetus tanks notwithstanding.
> > >
> > > Gord
> > > #426 Surprise
> > >
> > >
> > > on 10/22/03 12:34 PM, Hiesener, Michael at hiesenerm at stripes.osd.mil
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Roger,
> > > >
> > > > I do not believe you would want to convert a water tank to a waste
> > holding
> > > > tank. A water tank is not designed to be used as a holding tank.
You
> > will
> > > > want to purchase a new tank.
> > > >
> > > > The area under the port side v berth works well... the drawback is
> that
> > you
> > > > lose that area for storage. One of the problems of using the
area
> > where
> > > > the forward water tank currently resides is that you would end up
with
> a
> > > > long hose run from the head to the holding tank...You do not want
> waste
> > > > sitting in the hose. Using the area under the port v berth allows
you
> > to
> > > > have a short run of hose from the head to the tank.
> > > >
> > > > We recently did this on a early model boat without a liner. Feel
free
> > to
> > > > contact me with any questions.
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > Terrapin #254
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Roger L. Kingsland [mailto:rkingsland101 at ksba.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:19 PM
> > > > To: Alberg30
> > > > Subject: [Alberg30] More on Tanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks to all for feedback on flex tanks. Sounds too risky
> particularly
> > > > when dealing with holding tanks. Which gets me to the next
question.
> > Any
> > > > thoughts on the feasibility of converting the forward water tank
to a
> > > > holding tank?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Roger L. Kingsland, AIA
> > > > Managing Partner
> > > > Kingsland Scott Bauer Associates (KSBA)
> > > > N40° 27' 49" W79° 57' 59"
> > > > 3441 Butler Street
> > > > Pittsburgh, PA 15201
> > > > www.ksba.com
> > > >
> > > > 1(412) 252-1500 X101 - Office & Voice Mail
> > > > 1(412) 779-5101 - Mobile (no voice mail)
> > > > 1(412) 252-1510 - Fax
> > > >
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