[Alberg30] More on Tanks

[Gordon LACO]

Actually I did have problems...

When I first got the boat I noticed that some water that got down there
could not drain out... so I cursed the builder who did not put drain holes
in it and drilled a couple of my own.   I felt quite smug until I realized
that the damned thing is a tank that I want to use and now I have to seal it
again.

No wound stings like a self inflicted one.

Gordon
#426 Surprise


on 10/22/03 3:05 PM, Roger L. Kingsland at rkingsland101 at ksba.com wrote:

> Thanks Gord,
> 
> The vibration thing makes sense.  Any foot problems after using your foot
> bath?
> 
> Roger L. Kingsland, AIA
> Managing Partner
> Kingsland Scott Bauer Associates (KSBA)
> N40° 27' 49"  W79° 57' 59"
> 3441 Butler Street
> Pittsburgh, PA 15201
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> 
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> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gordon LACO" <mainstay at csolve.net>
> To: "Alberg 30 public list" <public-list at alberg30.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 1:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] More on Tanks
> 
> 
>> Hi Roger and gang...
>> 
>> Rigid plumbing is not used much because it copes so poorly with vibration.
>> It is possible to build in lengths of tube that facilitate movement, but
> the
>> added connections increase the likelihood of gas or liquid leaks... and
> can
>> double the cost of an installation.
>> 
>> To return to the inflatable issue... I was considering laying one in the
>> water tank forward as the built in tank makes a very good bed for an
>> inflatable.  I chose not to do it mostly because I discovered that what
>> looked like a footbath in the liner under my cabin sole was in reality a
>> holding tank without the lid.  I have the lid now and will use that.
>> 
>> Gord
>> #426 Surprise
>> 
>> 
>> on 10/22/03 1:51 PM, Roger L. Kingsland at rkingsland101 at ksba.com wrote:
>> 
>>> I think the pipe problem could be solved by hard plumbing with rigid PVC
>>> pipe.  There is enough slope below bunk level to get positive drainage
> and
>>> the inside of the pipe is smooth (besides, I have a neighbor who is a
>>> plumber).  That begs the question, why isn't hard plumbing used more?
> Any
>>> thoughts, any one?
>>> 
>>> Assuming that problem can be solved, then the question is what is the
>>> difference between a water tank and holding tank and would it be
> possible to
>>> convert.  For example, would a pressure test (if so, how much, how long)
>>> help determine adaptability of a tank?
>>> 
>>> Lastly, imagine a 35 gallon holding tank!  I could chauffer affluent
> around
>>> the Chesapeake Bay all season, stopping only for the occasional Perrier
>>> delivery (they do deliver, don't they?).
>>> 
>>> Roger Kingsland
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Roger L. Kingsland, AIA
>>> Managing Partner
>>> Kingsland Scott Bauer Associates (KSBA)
>>> N40° 27' 49"  W79° 57' 59"
>>> 3441 Butler Street
>>> Pittsburgh, PA 15201
>>> www.ksba.com
>>> 
>>> 1(412) 252-1500 X101 - Office & Voice Mail
>>> 1(412) 779-5101 - Mobile (no voice mail)
>>> 1(412) 252-1510 - Fax
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Gordon LACO" <mainstay at csolve.net>
>>> To: "Alberg 30 public list" <public-list at alberg30.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:50 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] More on Tanks
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I agree... hoses are often the source of bad smells in otherwise well
> done
>>>> installations.  I also agree with the earlier writer about inflatable
>>>> tanks... the consequences of trouble are too great to make it a good
> risk
>>> to
>>>> my mind; the plug I gave to Vetus tanks notwithstanding.
>>>> 
>>>> Gord
>>>> #426 Surprise
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> on 10/22/03 12:34 PM, Hiesener, Michael at hiesenerm at stripes.osd.mil
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Roger,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I do not believe you would want to convert a water tank to a waste
>>> holding
>>>>> tank.  A water tank is not designed to be used as a holding tank.  You
>>> will
>>>>> want to purchase a new tank.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The area under the port side v berth works well... the drawback is
> that
>>> you
>>>>> lose that area for storage.   One of the problems of using the area
>>> where
>>>>> the forward water tank currently resides is that you would end up with
> a
>>>>> long hose run from the head to the holding tank...You do not want
> waste
>>>>> sitting in the hose.  Using the area under the port v berth allows you
>>> to
>>>>> have a short run of hose from the head to the tank.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We recently did this on a early model boat without a liner.  Feel free
>>> to
>>>>> contact me with any questions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> Terrapin #254
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Roger L. Kingsland [mailto:rkingsland101 at ksba.com]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:19 PM
>>>>> To: Alberg30
>>>>> Subject: [Alberg30] More on Tanks
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks to all for feedback on flex tanks.  Sounds too risky
> particularly
>>>>> when dealing with holding tanks.  Which gets me to the next question.
>>> Any
>>>>> thoughts on the feasibility of converting the forward water tank to a
>>>>> holding tank?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Roger L. Kingsland, AIA
>>>>> Managing Partner
>>>>> Kingsland Scott Bauer Associates (KSBA)
>>>>> N40° 27' 49"  W79° 57' 59"
>>>>> 3441 Butler Street
>>>>> Pittsburgh, PA 15201
>>>>> www.ksba.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1(412) 252-1500 X101 - Office & Voice Mail
>>>>> 1(412) 779-5101 - Mobile (no voice mail)
>>>>> 1(412) 252-1510 - Fax
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