[Alberg30] Sail Cleaning
Roger L. Kingsland
rkingsland101 at ksba.com
Sun Sep 28 05:34:54 PDT 2003
Scott and Larry,
I did ask the North rep in Annapolis who said use Clorox which sounds risky.
I will try a national North tech rep and Dupont, thanks.
Scott, "Watermark" is a great name. What is it's origin?
Roger L. Kingsland, AIA
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Wallace" <tristan at one.net>
To: "Alberg 30 public list" <public-list at alberg30.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Sail Cleaning
> Why not call North and speak to their Sail Tech Rep? Or find out who
makes
> Mylar (Dupont?) and call their tech engineering people about cleaning?
>
> Scott Wallace, WATERMARK Rhodes Meridian
>
> Larry Morris wrote:
>
> > Option No. 4 seems the most sensible. The cleanliness of the sails has
> > nothing to do with their effectiveness.
> >
> > Larry Morris
> > Solstice #501
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: public-list-bounces at alberg30.org
> > [mailto:public-list-bounces at alberg30.org] On Behalf Of Roger L.
> > Kingsland
> > Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 11:12 AM
> > To: Alberg 30 public list
> > Subject: [Alberg30] Sail Cleaning
> >
> > Albergers (how I learned to stop worrying and love the cholesterol),
> >
> > I have a 130 Genoa by North made of some form of laminated Mylar, I
> > think they call it "NorLam." It probably was expensive and is in pretty
> > good shape; plus, it is my only sail that fits the roller fuller.
> > Problem is that must of been rode hard and put away wet because it has
> > so much mildew (apparently between the layers) the sail is completely
> > grey (almost looks like it was intended to be that color).
> >
> > I seem to have several options; 1) sell the boat, buy a Whaler and go
> > fishing, 2) risk ruining the sail by cleaning it with harsh chemicals,
> > 3) dye the sail a dark color (no, really, this might work if I can
> > figure our how to dye Mylar without "dying" the sail or dying the deck
> > after it rains), 4) live with it till I can afford to replace it then
> > make it into some kind'a weird tent.
> >
> > Since it involves no expenditure of time or money, the latter option may
> > prevail by default. Of course, the Kingsland family risks our A30 peers
> > saying among themselves during cockpit cocktails, "that sure is a pretty
> > boat but have you ever seen her with the 130 flying, yuk." Maybe I
> > could add some windows and a bunch of telltales and pretend it is some
> > sort of secret, high tech, experimental sail I am test driving for North
> > (of course, since their development team now consults with me on a
> > regular basis, it would be an easy sell).
> >
> > There is also an opportunity to use the mildewed Mylar as the conceptual
> > basis for renaiming the boat (our other conundrum). Instead of "My Last
> > Boat II" (thanks to Bill Mahony for that one) or "Dad's Money Pit"
> > (thanks to some motor boater's wife for that one), we could name her
> > "Grey Lady" or "Mal de Mylar." How about, "Genoa-a-Go-Go" or
> > "Jib's-a-Joke" (do you think the bridge tenders will be able to figure
> > out the hyphens?).
> >
> > Any advice would be greatly appreciated. The thunderstorm has passed
> > and the sun comes forth, so back to rubbing and scraping the nameless
> > boat (please, Gord, don't even think usurping naming responsibility).
> >
> > All for now
> >
> > Roger Kingsland
> > Chief Financial Officer (AKA, check writer)
> > The sailing artist formally known as Mahina Manu, A30 #148
> > N40° 29.288'
> > W79° 54.228'
> >
> > Author's Disclaimer; This email was produced exclusively by the sender
> > and, in the interest of expediency, without the benefit of editing by
> > others. The sender, thank goodness, is a much better architect/sailor
> > than speller/editor and, frankly, constantly laments an obvious flaw in
> > "spell check," it does not know what the author is thinking. Please
> > accept the sender's sincere apologies for any "typos" that may appear in
> > this document. If present, they are certainly unintended and hopefully
> > do not cloud the message, or spawn any unnecessary lawsuits.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Christos,
> > > >
> > > > Depending on how much of the sail is soiled you can spot clean it or
> > > stretch
> > > > it out on a clean lawn and hand wash and rinse the whole thing - it
> > is
> > > time
> > > > consuming but your sail will keep it's structural integrity. The
> > other
> > > thing
> > > > is to make sure it is dry when you put it away. Don't hang it in a
> > breeze
> > > to
> > > > flap about as some people do as it again breaks down the resins.
> > > >
> > > > We are on the Great Lakes so rinsing salt off is not an issue.
> > > >
> > > > Very soft brush or cloth only.
> > > >
> > > > Try to walk on it as little as possible - it's really quite straight
> > > > forward.
> > > >
> > > > You can talk to good sailmakers about more aggressive cleaners if
> > you have
> > > > to have them absolutely clean but avoid those commercial cleaning
> > > companies
> > > > like the plague. I saw a beautiful suit of A-37 sails (Murphy Nye's)
> > > ruined
> > > > by a commercial cleaner and was with the sailmaker when he unbagged
> > them
> > > and
> > > > the first words out of his mouth were - "oh no, they've had them
> > cleaned."
> > > > He then showed me what it had done to the cloth.
> > > >
> > > > I have only spot cleaned my sails when something was really yucky
> > like
> > > bird
> > > > poop or limited area of dirt. They don't stay absolutely white
> > forever -
> > > but
> > > > a little discoloration is normal. I do rinse them from time to time
> > to get
> > > > any airborne grit off so it doesn't work it's way in, but the resins
> > do a
> > > > good job on their own of keeping grit out, and an occasional rinse
> > is
> > > mostly
> > > > all I do.
> > > >
> > > > Best of luck
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Christos Katehis" <GreekSailor at worldnet.att.net>
> > > > To: "Alberg 30 public list" <public-list at alberg30.org>
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 7:09 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Sail Cleaning
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > John,
> > > > >
> > > > > Have you washed your sails? Other than lots off space to hang and
> > wash,
> > > > what
> > > > > else is important?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > Chris
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "John Birch" <Sunstone at cogeco.ca>
> > > > > To: "Alberg 30 public list" <public-list at alberg30.org>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 1:43 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Sail Cleaning
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > As a rule of thumb - never clean your sails with anything
> > stronger
> > > than
> > > > > > detergent and a very soft brush or cloth - and do the work by
> > hand.
> > > > > > Commercial washers put them in machines which breaks down the
> > resins
> > > and
> > > > > > ruins them. The cloth becomes much more "stretchy" as the resins
> > that
> > > > help
> > > > > > bind the threads & fibres and are broken down in the commercial
> > > cleaning
> > > > > > process. I've seen this damage first hand - sail looks great but
> > you
> > > can
> > > > > > stretch the cloth by hand off the bias - something you can't do
> > with
> > > > cloth
> > > > > > in good shape.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have no specific knowledge of the company you are referring
> > to.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My source is my sailmaker and every sailmaker I've talked to and
> > books
> > > > > I've
> > > > > > read.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thx.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Christos Katehis" <GreekSailor at worldnet.att.net>
> > > > > > To: "Alberg 30 public list" <public-list at alberg30.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 12:42 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [Alberg30] Sail Cleaning
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Has anyone used "The sail Cleaners" in Ft. Lauderdale, FL ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Christos Katehis
> > > > > > Kasia #383
> > > > > >
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