[Alberg30] Sail Cleaning
Scott Wallace
tristan at one.net
Sun Sep 28 07:19:11 PDT 2003
Hi Roger,
Watermark was the name of an art gallery in Minnesota that former owners of
Watermark owned. They renamed her from North Wind to Watermark, to honor their
gallery. I like it so we kept it. The old Rhodes Meridian was originally
named Den Glyden Freden, to honor a restaurant in Sweden where the original
owners in Long Island, New York enjoyed visiting. Watermark has sailed the
Long Island Sound and New England, Lake Superior and Lake Michigan, The Upper
Reaches of the Mississippi River, Tampa Bay and the Gulf of Mexico and now she
is in Cincinnati, Ohio, getting restored for Lake Huron or Lake Erie!
Scott
"Roger L. Kingsland" wrote:
> Scott and Larry,
>
> I did ask the North rep in Annapolis who said use Clorox which sounds risky.
> I will try a national North tech rep and Dupont, thanks.
>
> Scott, "Watermark" is a great name. What is it's origin?
>
> Roger L. Kingsland, AIA
> Managing Partner
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>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Wallace" <tristan at one.net>
> To: "Alberg 30 public list" <public-list at alberg30.org>
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 10:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Sail Cleaning
>
> > Why not call North and speak to their Sail Tech Rep? Or find out who
> makes
> > Mylar (Dupont?) and call their tech engineering people about cleaning?
> >
> > Scott Wallace, WATERMARK Rhodes Meridian
> >
> > Larry Morris wrote:
> >
> > > Option No. 4 seems the most sensible. The cleanliness of the sails has
> > > nothing to do with their effectiveness.
> > >
> > > Larry Morris
> > > Solstice #501
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: public-list-bounces at alberg30.org
> > > [mailto:public-list-bounces at alberg30.org] On Behalf Of Roger L.
> > > Kingsland
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 11:12 AM
> > > To: Alberg 30 public list
> > > Subject: [Alberg30] Sail Cleaning
> > >
> > > Albergers (how I learned to stop worrying and love the cholesterol),
> > >
> > > I have a 130 Genoa by North made of some form of laminated Mylar, I
> > > think they call it "NorLam." It probably was expensive and is in pretty
> > > good shape; plus, it is my only sail that fits the roller fuller.
> > > Problem is that must of been rode hard and put away wet because it has
> > > so much mildew (apparently between the layers) the sail is completely
> > > grey (almost looks like it was intended to be that color).
> > >
> > > I seem to have several options; 1) sell the boat, buy a Whaler and go
> > > fishing, 2) risk ruining the sail by cleaning it with harsh chemicals,
> > > 3) dye the sail a dark color (no, really, this might work if I can
> > > figure our how to dye Mylar without "dying" the sail or dying the deck
> > > after it rains), 4) live with it till I can afford to replace it then
> > > make it into some kind'a weird tent.
> > >
> > > Since it involves no expenditure of time or money, the latter option may
> > > prevail by default. Of course, the Kingsland family risks our A30 peers
> > > saying among themselves during cockpit cocktails, "that sure is a pretty
> > > boat but have you ever seen her with the 130 flying, yuk." Maybe I
> > > could add some windows and a bunch of telltales and pretend it is some
> > > sort of secret, high tech, experimental sail I am test driving for North
> > > (of course, since their development team now consults with me on a
> > > regular basis, it would be an easy sell).
> > >
> > > There is also an opportunity to use the mildewed Mylar as the conceptual
> > > basis for renaiming the boat (our other conundrum). Instead of "My Last
> > > Boat II" (thanks to Bill Mahony for that one) or "Dad's Money Pit"
> > > (thanks to some motor boater's wife for that one), we could name her
> > > "Grey Lady" or "Mal de Mylar." How about, "Genoa-a-Go-Go" or
> > > "Jib's-a-Joke" (do you think the bridge tenders will be able to figure
> > > out the hyphens?).
> > >
> > > Any advice would be greatly appreciated. The thunderstorm has passed
> > > and the sun comes forth, so back to rubbing and scraping the nameless
> > > boat (please, Gord, don't even think usurping naming responsibility).
> > >
> > > All for now
> > >
> > > Roger Kingsland
> > > Chief Financial Officer (AKA, check writer)
> > > The sailing artist formally known as Mahina Manu, A30 #148
> > > N40° 29.288'
> > > W79° 54.228'
> > >
> > > Author's Disclaimer; This email was produced exclusively by the sender
> > > and, in the interest of expediency, without the benefit of editing by
> > > others. The sender, thank goodness, is a much better architect/sailor
> > > than speller/editor and, frankly, constantly laments an obvious flaw in
> > > "spell check," it does not know what the author is thinking. Please
> > > accept the sender's sincere apologies for any "typos" that may appear in
> > > this document. If present, they are certainly unintended and hopefully
> > > do not cloud the message, or spawn any unnecessary lawsuits.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Christos,
> > > > >
> > > > > Depending on how much of the sail is soiled you can spot clean it or
> > > > stretch
> > > > > it out on a clean lawn and hand wash and rinse the whole thing - it
> > > is
> > > > time
> > > > > consuming but your sail will keep it's structural integrity. The
> > > other
> > > > thing
> > > > > is to make sure it is dry when you put it away. Don't hang it in a
> > > breeze
> > > > to
> > > > > flap about as some people do as it again breaks down the resins.
> > > > >
> > > > > We are on the Great Lakes so rinsing salt off is not an issue.
> > > > >
> > > > > Very soft brush or cloth only.
> > > > >
> > > > > Try to walk on it as little as possible - it's really quite straight
> > > > > forward.
> > > > >
> > > > > You can talk to good sailmakers about more aggressive cleaners if
> > > you have
> > > > > to have them absolutely clean but avoid those commercial cleaning
> > > > companies
> > > > > like the plague. I saw a beautiful suit of A-37 sails (Murphy Nye's)
> > > > ruined
> > > > > by a commercial cleaner and was with the sailmaker when he unbagged
> > > them
> > > > and
> > > > > the first words out of his mouth were - "oh no, they've had them
> > > cleaned."
> > > > > He then showed me what it had done to the cloth.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have only spot cleaned my sails when something was really yucky
> > > like
> > > > bird
> > > > > poop or limited area of dirt. They don't stay absolutely white
> > > forever -
> > > > but
> > > > > a little discoloration is normal. I do rinse them from time to time
> > > to get
> > > > > any airborne grit off so it doesn't work it's way in, but the resins
> > > do a
> > > > > good job on their own of keeping grit out, and an occasional rinse
> > > is
> > > > mostly
> > > > > all I do.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best of luck
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > >
> > > > > John
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Christos Katehis" <GreekSailor at worldnet.att.net>
> > > > > To: "Alberg 30 public list" <public-list at alberg30.org>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 7:09 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Sail Cleaning
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > John,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Have you washed your sails? Other than lots off space to hang and
> > > wash,
> > > > > what
> > > > > > else is important?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chris
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "John Birch" <Sunstone at cogeco.ca>
> > > > > > To: "Alberg 30 public list" <public-list at alberg30.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 1:43 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Alberg30] Sail Cleaning
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > As a rule of thumb - never clean your sails with anything
> > > stronger
> > > > than
> > > > > > > detergent and a very soft brush or cloth - and do the work by
> > > hand.
> > > > > > > Commercial washers put them in machines which breaks down the
> > > resins
> > > > and
> > > > > > > ruins them. The cloth becomes much more "stretchy" as the resins
> > > that
> > > > > help
> > > > > > > bind the threads & fibres and are broken down in the commercial
> > > > cleaning
> > > > > > > process. I've seen this damage first hand - sail looks great but
> > > you
> > > > can
> > > > > > > stretch the cloth by hand off the bias - something you can't do
> > > with
> > > > > cloth
> > > > > > > in good shape.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have no specific knowledge of the company you are referring
> > > to.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My source is my sailmaker and every sailmaker I've talked to and
> > > books
> > > > > > I've
> > > > > > > read.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thx.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > John
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Christos Katehis" <GreekSailor at worldnet.att.net>
> > > > > > > To: "Alberg 30 public list" <public-list at alberg30.org>
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 12:42 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: [Alberg30] Sail Cleaning
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Has anyone used "The sail Cleaners" in Ft. Lauderdale, FL ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Christos Katehis
> > > > > > > Kasia #383
> > > > > > >
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