[Alberg30] New Main Sail

Bill Blevins billblevins at mac.com
Tue Sep 30 07:05:52 PDT 2003


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On 9/30/03 9:18 AM, "Melissa Currier" <mcurrier at spinrx.com> wrote:

> One Word: Haarstick
> 
> We recently purchased an entire suit of sails from Haarstick and have
> never been more satisfied.  They are just gorgeous.  Company is based in
> Rochester, NY, but they have local salesfolks here and there and around.
> 
> http://www.haarsticksailmakers.com
> 
> Melissa Currier -- Infinity #57
> 
>> Hello -
>> 
>> I think that most would agree that two masted rigs on vessels below 35'
>> loa generally result in a fairly dramatic loss of performance.   In the
>> days before good self-steering long distance voyagers used them in their
>> attempts to improve the ability of the boat's naturally self steering...
>> and the result has been residual praise for small ketches and yawls.
>> Doing that to an Alberg will result in a boat that has to motor to
>> windward and is awkward to sail on other tacks.
>> 
>> The main reason is the the small sails that result from adding the
>> second mast are so small and so close together that they mess each other
>> up (very unscientific, oversimplified description); when you are running
>> or beating... you cannot use the mizzen to advantage so are forced to
>> use the much reduced main.  The effect is that of sailing with three
>> reefs in it all the time the only exception being when reaching.
>> 
>> Yes, a ketch or a yawl looks nice, and those rigs do give you options
>> with regard to balance... but at a great cost in performance in small
>> boats.
>> 
>> Gord
>> #426 Surprise
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> on 9/30/03 8:41 AM, Hiesener, Michael at hiesenerm at stripes.osd.mil
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> We bought a new main from North Annapolis last year...one batten...one
>>> reef point.  Should have probably gotten two reef points for more
>>> flexibility. Third reef for sailing on the Chesapeake sounds a bit
>>> much....If its that windy I will go with a small headsail only.  We
>>> have been happy with the North Sail...Reasonable cost to quality
>>> ratio.
>>> 
>>> I would think long and hard before changing any of the rigging.  You
>>> might very well improve the boat but reduce it's value at the same
>>> time by making changes that make it illegal as a one design racer.
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> 
>>> Mike Hiesener
>>> Terrapin #254
>>> Annapolis
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Roger L. Kingsland [mailto:rkingsland101 at ksba.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 5:52 PM
>>> To: Alberg 30 public list
>>> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] New Main Sail
>>> 
>>> 
>>> David,
>>> 
>>> I am interested in the same stuff to so, other Albergers (how about
>>> just a little potato salad), please bring it on.  Specifically, does
>>> anyone have an opinion as to the number of reefs and their height
>>> above the boom.  Is two enough or should a third be added for a cheap
>>> "storm sail?"  Can the reef heights result in mainsail area in balance
>>> with the sizes of headsails (150 = full main,130 = first reef, working
>>> jib = second reef)?
>>> 
>>> I did get a proposal from North in Annapolis and they suggested only
>>> one full length batten (at the top) because the sail track is not able
>>> to withstand the heavy loads produced by longer battens.  Perhaps your
>>> "Strong Slide System" solves that problem.
>>> 
>>> I have often (well, not really that often) wondered if a ketch rig,
>>> with the mizzen mast mounted at the forward end of the cockpit, would
>>> work for an A30.  With this rig the main boom could be shortened to
>>> allow the full benefits of high aspect, full roach (full batten) sails
>>> on booth main and mizzen.  (I read on the web site that Alberg
>>> originally wanted the mast mounted 2 feet aft and had to shorten the
>>> mast and lengthen the boom to balance the rig with the mast so far
>>> forward.)   Also, has anyone tried moving the side stays inboard and
>>> mounting the chain plates to the cabin sides?  How about a new, taller
>>> mast (with a shorter boom) moved aft to the aft head bulkhead (yes
>>> Virginia, there are some minor issues with the offset hanging locker
>>> bulkhead, but heck, we are already wasting so much money, what's a
>>> little more matter)?  Really, I am trying to get back into the box,
>>> but I can't find it.  I know y'all can help.  I also guess I would
>>> only be eligible to be the committee boat during an A30 race.
>>> 
>>> Roger
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Roger Kingsland
>>> Chief Financial Officer (AKA, check writer)
>>> The Sailing Artist Formally Knows as Mahina Manu, A30 #148
>>> N40°  29.288'
>>> W79°  54.228'
>>> 
>>> Author's Disclaimer; This email was produced exclusively by the sender
>>> and, in the interest of expediency, without the benefit of editing by
>>> others. The sender, thank goodness, is a much better architect/sailor
>>> than speller/editor and, frankly, constantly laments an obvious flaw
>>> in "spell check," it does not know what the author is thinking.
>>> Please accept the sender's sincere apologies for any "typos" that may
>>> appear in this document. If present, they are certainly unintended and
>>> hopefully do not cloud the message, or spawn any unnecessary lawsuits.
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Dave Terrell" <DTERRELL at message.nmc.edu>
>>> To: <public-list at alberg30.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 4:31 PM
>>> Subject: [Alberg30] New Main Sail
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> The time has come to get a new main sail for Talisman. I would like
>>>> the work to be done locally in Traverse City -  so my question is -
>>>> what things do I have to watch out for so that the sail comes out
>>>> "just right"? Any suggestion about sail cloth? One sailmaker suggest
>>>> Contender made by a Dutch company. Another suggests Challenge? Any
>>>> opinions on either of these? I am also planning on putting on a
>>>> Strong Slide System. Racing is not going to be my thing so I am
>>>> planning on full battens throughout and two reefs - opinions and
>>>> suggestions will be appreciated on all these ideas.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for the help.
>>>> 
>>>> David - Talisman #432
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> 
> Melissa Thompson Currier
> Tel: 410-990-9855
> Cell: 443-871-4602
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