[Alberg30] New Main Sail

Melissa Currier mcurrier at spinrx.com
Tue Sep 30 06:18:43 PDT 2003


One Word: Haarstick

We recently purchased an entire suit of sails from Haarstick and have
never been more satisfied.  They are just gorgeous.  Company is based in
Rochester, NY, but they have local salesfolks here and there and around.

http://www.haarsticksailmakers.com

Melissa Currier -- Infinity #57

> Hello -
>
> I think that most would agree that two masted rigs on vessels below 35'
> loa generally result in a fairly dramatic loss of performance.   In the
> days before good self-steering long distance voyagers used them in their
> attempts to improve the ability of the boat's naturally self steering...
> and the result has been residual praise for small ketches and yawls.
> Doing that to an Alberg will result in a boat that has to motor to
> windward and is awkward to sail on other tacks.
>
> The main reason is the the small sails that result from adding the
> second mast are so small and so close together that they mess each other
> up (very unscientific, oversimplified description); when you are running
> or beating... you cannot use the mizzen to advantage so are forced to
> use the much reduced main.  The effect is that of sailing with three
> reefs in it all the time the only exception being when reaching.
>
> Yes, a ketch or a yawl looks nice, and those rigs do give you options
> with regard to balance... but at a great cost in performance in small
> boats.
>
> Gord
> #426 Surprise
>
>
>
>
> on 9/30/03 8:41 AM, Hiesener, Michael at hiesenerm at stripes.osd.mil
> wrote:
>
>> We bought a new main from North Annapolis last year...one batten...one
>> reef point.  Should have probably gotten two reef points for more
>> flexibility. Third reef for sailing on the Chesapeake sounds a bit
>> much....If its that windy I will go with a small headsail only.  We
>> have been happy with the North Sail...Reasonable cost to quality
>> ratio.
>>
>> I would think long and hard before changing any of the rigging.  You
>> might very well improve the boat but reduce it's value at the same
>> time by making changes that make it illegal as a one design racer.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Mike Hiesener
>> Terrapin #254
>> Annapolis
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Roger L. Kingsland [mailto:rkingsland101 at ksba.com]
>> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 5:52 PM
>> To: Alberg 30 public list
>> Subject: Re: [Alberg30] New Main Sail
>>
>>
>> David,
>>
>> I am interested in the same stuff to so, other Albergers (how about
>> just a little potato salad), please bring it on.  Specifically, does
>> anyone have an opinion as to the number of reefs and their height
>> above the boom.  Is two enough or should a third be added for a cheap
>> "storm sail?"  Can the reef heights result in mainsail area in balance
>> with the sizes of headsails (150 = full main,130 = first reef, working
>> jib = second reef)?
>>
>> I did get a proposal from North in Annapolis and they suggested only
>> one full length batten (at the top) because the sail track is not able
>> to withstand the heavy loads produced by longer battens.  Perhaps your
>> "Strong Slide System" solves that problem.
>>
>> I have often (well, not really that often) wondered if a ketch rig,
>> with the mizzen mast mounted at the forward end of the cockpit, would
>> work for an A30.  With this rig the main boom could be shortened to
>> allow the full benefits of high aspect, full roach (full batten) sails
>> on booth main and mizzen.  (I read on the web site that Alberg
>> originally wanted the mast mounted 2 feet aft and had to shorten the
>> mast and lengthen the boom to balance the rig with the mast so far
>> forward.)   Also, has anyone tried moving the side stays inboard and
>> mounting the chain plates to the cabin sides?  How about a new, taller
>> mast (with a shorter boom) moved aft to the aft head bulkhead (yes
>> Virginia, there are some minor issues with the offset hanging locker
>> bulkhead, but heck, we are already wasting so much money, what's a
>> little more matter)?  Really, I am trying to get back into the box,
>> but I can't find it.  I know y'all can help.  I also guess I would
>> only be eligible to be the committee boat during an A30 race.
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>> Roger Kingsland
>> Chief Financial Officer (AKA, check writer)
>> The Sailing Artist Formally Knows as Mahina Manu, A30 #148
>> N40°  29.288'
>> W79°  54.228'
>>
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>> others. The sender, thank goodness, is a much better architect/sailor
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>> in "spell check," it does not know what the author is thinking.
>> Please accept the sender's sincere apologies for any "typos" that may
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>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dave Terrell" <DTERRELL at message.nmc.edu>
>> To: <public-list at alberg30.org>
>> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 4:31 PM
>> Subject: [Alberg30] New Main Sail
>>
>>
>>> The time has come to get a new main sail for Talisman. I would like
>>> the work to be done locally in Traverse City -  so my question is -
>>> what things do I have to watch out for so that the sail comes out
>>> "just right"? Any suggestion about sail cloth? One sailmaker suggest
>>> Contender made by a Dutch company. Another suggests Challenge? Any
>>> opinions on either of these? I am also planning on putting on a
>>> Strong Slide System. Racing is not going to be my thing so I am
>>> planning on full battens throughout and two reefs - opinions and
>>> suggestions will be appreciated on all these ideas.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the help.
>>>
>>> David - Talisman #432
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