[Public-list] A30 Staysail

Tue Aug 3 12:26:44 PDT 2004

Gord,

Is it correct that on Surprise the "weapon" actually goes to the masthead.
What do you see as the advantages/disadvantages of masthead staysail vs. 3'
above spreaders staysail.

Roger

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net>
To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at alberg30.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Public-list] A30 Staysail

>
> Hi there -
>
> Re staysail - as a professional rigger, my opinion is that given the
> characteristics of our Alberg spars (heavy) a halyard for a staysail
within
> 3' of the spreaders can rely upon the after lower shrouds to stabilize
> things.  If the staysail halyard block were to fitted any higher, I would
> say that the mast needs runners - and to me that would mean that the
project
> is not worth doing.
>
> Cheers - Gordon, KC426 Surprise
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Three observations and a question
> >
> > Observations
> >
> > 1. there is an extended discussion of the staysail in the files on the
> > website during the winter a couple of years ago. Phil, this is a good
> > place to see what others have said about this in the past. I think the
> > place to look is January or February of 2002.
> >
> > 2. Sail magazine has an article this month on a solent sail. This sail
> > attaches almost at the top of the mast thus avoiding the need for
> > running back stays. From the article the solent sail does many of the
> > same things a staysail does. In any case, you can hank on either of the
> > two sail on the forestay. If others can share about the solent sail,
> > that would be very interesting.
> >
> > 3. It is my understanding - from an other Alberger in our marina  and
> > from reading - that the anchor point for a staysail or a solent sail on
> > the  A30 could be located at the anchor locker bulkhead. This approach
> > uses the bulkead to transfer the load to the hull and avoids the wire.
> >
> > Question:
> >
> > Gordon, are you considering running back stays if you complete the
> > staysail project?
> >
> >
> >
> >>>> mainstay at csolve.net 8/1/2004 9:18:08 AM >>>
> > Hi Phil -
> >
> > We use a staysail - I have played around with it a lot and would be
> > pleased
> > to tell you our preferences...
> >
> > Ours is a high clewed little number that we originally planned to set
> > on the
> > spinnaker pole topping lift whose block we placed on a fairly massive
> > hound
> > about 3' above the spreaders.  My plan was to have the lift double as
> > a
> > staysail halyard.  If we like the effect of the sail we intended to
> > build a
> > massive deck pad eye (with an underdeck wire lanyard and turnbuckle
> > bringing
> > the load to the stem).
> >
> > We still may do that but in the meantime we have found that the sail
> > works
> > well as a spinnaker staysail.  We sheet it to the forward inside jib
> > tracks;
> > we hoist it on the #2 genny halyard and tack it to our jackline between
> > the
> > cleats forward.  Works great - my son and his buddy who do foredeck for
> > us
> > call it "the weapon" as in "secret weapon".  The two headsail halyards
> > were
> > a little tough to organize so I fell back on an old fashioned technique
> > I
> > have installed on clients' boats.  We shackled a single block with a
> > becket
> > on the existing block hanger, then hung a single block on the becket.
> > That
> > way we have out two blocks with the added advantage of having the
> > unloaded
> > halyard holding the upper or #1 block stable. Works great.
> >
> > I think now that for extreme conditions the staysail would be a good
> > thing
> > but for now we use it for racing.
> >
> > And may I gloat among friends?  We took a second in our annual Snake
> > Island
> > race last Wed. night - got squeaked out of first by a hair.   We seem
> > to
> > have to old girl really cranked up this year - we are deadly in light
> > air/flat water conditions.  Still can't point like I would like to but
> > that
> > may come later.  The only thing we can think of that has made a big
> > diff is
> > A) really good foredeck work this year  B) I paid more attention to
> > standing
> > rig tuning (thanks for the info on this list)
> >
> > Cheers - Gordon KC426 Surprise
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> The A30 sail plan shows a staysail with a halyard attached to the
> > mast just
> >> above the spreaders. Does anyone have experience with this sail? Is
> > it used as
> >> a smaller foresail during windy conditions or is it used in
> > combination with
> >> the jib?
> >>
> >> It seems to me that this sail would be useful for reducing sail,
> > especially
> >> now that so many boats are equipped with roller furling genoas that
> > never set
> >> properly when reefed. Simply set the staysail and roll up the genoa
> >> completely.
> >>
> >>
> >> Phil Bartlett, Windward #428
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