[Public-list] Possible day-sailer project

Thu Jul 22 17:14:57 PDT 2004

Scott-

There was a great article on Roue in WoodenBoat #170. I thoroughly
enjoyed reading it. If you e-mail me your address (off list), I would be
happy to send you a copy. 

Perhaps the bluenose sloop would be a better day sailor candidate for a
Canadian. I suspect that there are more available in Canada than in the
US. 

And of course, the IOD is a wonderful day sailor. And they are popular
in many diverse areas of the world. I was in Bermuda this spring for the
International Race Week, and they have quite a vibrant fleet there. 

By the way, does anybody on this list keep their boat at Kingston YC in
Ontario? I was there 2 weeks ago for a 5o5 regatta and there was a
lovely Alberg in the basin. 

Kind regards,

J Bergquist
Calliope #287

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[mailto:public-list-bounces at alberg30.org] On Behalf Of William Wallace
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 6:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [Public-list] Possible day-sailer project

I agree with your suggestions, J., especially the recommendation for a 
Shields or Atlantic, both beautiful boats, well designed and a joy to 
sail!
I sold my old Bluenose sloop, a fiberglass version of the original wood 
ones from Lunenburg,  Nova Scotia, a beautiful 24' lOD daysailor with 
lovely overhangs and a spoon bow, designed by none other than Canada's 
famous naval architect, William Roue, designer of the famed Bluenose 
schooner, hence the sloop class name.  The Bluenose was designed about 
1946 and McVay built a glassfibre version in Mahone Bay, Nova Scotia 
and later, in Ontario.  He produced them from about 1961 through 1978 
or so...

Another company is making them again in Nova Scotia in glass and the 
new ones sell for about $20,000 with out sails...an old McVay can be 
found with sails and even trailer from $2,500 (rough condition) through 
$6,500 for good condition.  They sail beautifully, somewhat analagous s 
to how a classic  TR-3 Triumph might perform on a road: )

Scott Wallace
On Thursday, July 22, 2004, at 04:14 PM, J Bergquist wrote:

> Aaron,
>
> I personally would not advise converting an Alberg 30 to a day sailor.
> The boat was not designed to be ONLY a day sailor. For much less
> temporal and monetary investment, you can find many classic boats
> available second hand which were designed with day sailing in mind and
> which will provide you many of the same benefits of an Alberg 30 that 
> we
> all love while being much more optimized for people who want to go
> sailing during the day. The maintenance of these boats will be easier,
> their sailing equipment will likely be as good or better, their
> construction will likely be just as stout, and many of them have class
> associations much like ours (though maybe not QUITE so wonderful...;-)
>
> In production boat circles, you might consider a Shields (S&S design
> circa 1960), an Atlantic (W Starling Burgess design, circa 1920), an
> Etchells (Etchells design, I'm not sure when), or a Soling (former
> Olympic class racer). There are active fleets of these boats all
around
> the country. They are all of similar size to the A30 (roughly 25-30 
> feet
> in length, somewhat less beam and deck area, greater draft). There
will
> be quality secondhand boats available, and all have class
associations.
> I have not priced them, but I suspect that decent secondhand boats are
> competitively priced with good secondhand Albergs. None of these boats
> will have installed mechanical, electrical, plumbing, and so forth.
> Therefore, they are much simpler to use, sail, and maintain. Poke 
> around
> in your area and see what kinds of classes are active, and I'd bet you
> might find some good day sailors.
>
> There are many custom or short-run small and classic daysailors out
> there available to consider. If you are looking for hidden beauty to
> bring back, there are plenty of neglected old boats with high pedigree
> available. You should keep in mind that this kind of project requires
a
> tremendous amount of time, energy, and money.
>
> Personally, my favorite day sailor design is the Buzzard's Bay 25,
> designed by Nathanael Herreshoff. You might also consider some of the
> Fisher's Island sloops or Deer Isle one design boats. These boats are
> beautiful, classic, about the right size, and wonderful sailing
> machines. Many of them have been around the better part of a century 
> and
> are still raced regularly.
>
> If you decide that you want a cabin and the capability to go for
> overnight trips or on the ocean, I think the Alberg 30 would be a
great
> boat for you. However, if you just want a day sailor, maybe you should
> think about looking for boats that were designed with the day sailor
in
> mind, rather than cutting the cabin off a boat designed with other
> purposes in mind.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> J Bergquist
> Calliope #287
>
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> [mailto:public-list-bounces at alberg30.org] On Behalf Of Melissa Currier
> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 1:39 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Possible day-sailer project
>
> Interesting thought.  We have certainly "day sailed" our Alberg 30 as
> is,
> but if you have the bug, I feel I should raise a few possible
> considerations for you.
>
> 1) The mast is stepped on the upper deck, not the lower forward step
of
> the cabin, so you will need to somehow retain that portion of the deck
> and
> beam.  May keep the v-berth, head and locker as an intact cuddy cabin?
>
> 2)  If you have ever sailed an Alberg with people sitting on the cabin
> top
> or lounging anywhere midships you will know that you can't see where 
> you
> are going from anywhere you can reach the tiller.
>
> 3) In designing your new deck and "tanks", you would have to provide
> adequate, reachable access ports for everything that you can currently
> reach amid cabinetry in the cabin... chain plates, bolts for the jib
> tracks and toe rails, etc.
>
> That's what came to mind for what it's worth...
>
> As for available "project boats", there are several in the mid-400s 
> that
> have issues with soft decks (one of ours included)... They would be
the
> most obvious candidates for a major deck hack job.
>
> Enjoy,
> Melissa Currier
> Infinity #57
> Daybreak #458
>
>
>> Dear Readers,
>> I am writing to explore the possibility of converting one of the more
>> common
>> Albergs (30, 35, 37) in to an open day-sailer for summer sailing in
> inland
>> waters. Alberg designs seem to be an obvious choice because of their
>> classic
>> grace, good sailing qualities, easy motion, sound construction, and,
>> admittedly, their relatively low prices. I hope the idea is not too
>> offensive
>> for some.
>>      I imagine, for example, an alberg 30 with the raised portion of
> the
>> cabin
>> top removed two inches above its turn into the deck, and in its place
>> installed
>> a large 3-4 ft. deep cockpit with room for approximately eight.
> Naturally,
>> the
>> cockpit coamings would be (gracefully)extended to the remaining cabin
> top,
>> the
>> interior furnishings would be removed, the bulkheads left in place,
> and
>> the
>> floor raised. The weight of these passengers would be low and close
to
> the
>> longitudinal center, they could stand below the swing of the boom, in
> the
>> bosom
>> of the boat, as it were, and in general, find space to safely move
> about,
>> frolic and make themselves comfortable.
>>      The lower forward cabin top would remain intact, as would the
> side
>> and
>> forward decks, the bulkhead and door. Granted, many (all) details
have
> yet
>> to
>> be worked out particularly with respect to the possibility of
> swamping,
>> well
>> deck drainage, hull strength etc. Nonetheless, I would be very
> interested
>> to
>> hear any Alberg-ophile comments on this idea, or indeed leads on
> 'project'
>> Albergs. Regards, Aaron Nagler Vancouver B.C. Canada. July 14 04 ps.
I
> can
>> be
>> reached at either of: naglera at eciad.ca or rainarch at hotmail.com
>>
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