[Public-list] Possible day-sailer project Reply:

[naglera at eciad.ca]

Thanks to all for the excellent responses,
I had not previously considered something like an etchells, possibly because
there are so few dedicated day-sailing boats in Marinas around vancouver. The
area is prone to the extremes of dinghys or motor sailers. Anyway, I surely is
mighty glad I done asked y'all. 
However, I'm torn.  I love the Albergs and want one for cruising (deck
delamination be damned), but day sailers have their own magic.  Perhaps I'll
look for a real one of each (one day).  Thanks for the Alberg/triton conversion
links.  Best regards to all,  Aaron Nagler. ps, I was interested by the comment
that A30s suffering from deck problems could be had in "the mid 400s". I
suppose this would mean 4000s USD? Do tell.
Quoting J Bergquist <j at ship.saic.com>:

> Aaron,
> 
> I personally would not advise converting an Alberg 30 to a day sailor.
> The boat was not designed to be ONLY a day sailor. For much less
> temporal and monetary investment, you can find many classic boats
> available second hand which were designed with day sailing in mind and
> which will provide you many of the same benefits of an Alberg 30 that we
> all love while being much more optimized for people who want to go
> sailing during the day. The maintenance of these boats will be easier,
> their sailing equipment will likely be as good or better, their
> construction will likely be just as stout, and many of them have class
> associations much like ours (though maybe not QUITE so wonderful...;-)
> 
> In production boat circles, you might consider a Shields (S&S design
> circa 1960), an Atlantic (W Starling Burgess design, circa 1920), an
> Etchells (Etchells design, I'm not sure when), or a Soling (former
> Olympic class racer). There are active fleets of these boats all around
> the country. They are all of similar size to the A30 (roughly 25-30 feet
> in length, somewhat less beam and deck area, greater draft). There will
> be quality secondhand boats available, and all have class associations.
> I have not priced them, but I suspect that decent secondhand boats are
> competitively priced with good secondhand Albergs. None of these boats
> will have installed mechanical, electrical, plumbing, and so forth.
> Therefore, they are much simpler to use, sail, and maintain. Poke around
> in your area and see what kinds of classes are active, and I'd bet you
> might find some good day sailors. 
> 
> There are many custom or short-run small and classic daysailors out
> there available to consider. If you are looking for hidden beauty to
> bring back, there are plenty of neglected old boats with high pedigree
> available. You should keep in mind that this kind of project requires a
> tremendous amount of time, energy, and money. 
> 
> Personally, my favorite day sailor design is the Buzzard's Bay 25,
> designed by Nathanael Herreshoff. You might also consider some of the
> Fisher's Island sloops or Deer Isle one design boats. These boats are
> beautiful, classic, about the right size, and wonderful sailing
> machines. Many of them have been around the better part of a century and
> are still raced regularly. 
> 
> If you decide that you want a cabin and the capability to go for
> overnight trips or on the ocean, I think the Alberg 30 would be a great
> boat for you. However, if you just want a day sailor, maybe you should
> think about looking for boats that were designed with the day sailor in
> mind, rather than cutting the cabin off a boat designed with other
> purposes in mind. 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> J Bergquist
> Calliope #287
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-list-bounces at alberg30.org
> [mailto:public-list-bounces at alberg30.org] On Behalf Of Melissa Currier
> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 1:39 PM
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Possible day-sailer project
> 
> Interesting thought.  We have certainly "day sailed" our Alberg 30 as
> is,
> but if you have the bug, I feel I should raise a few possible
> considerations for you.
> 
> 1) The mast is stepped on the upper deck, not the lower forward step of
> the cabin, so you will need to somehow retain that portion of the deck
> and
> beam.  May keep the v-berth, head and locker as an intact cuddy cabin?
> 
> 2)  If you have ever sailed an Alberg with people sitting on the cabin
> top
> or lounging anywhere midships you will know that you can't see where you
> are going from anywhere you can reach the tiller.
> 
> 3) In designing your new deck and "tanks", you would have to provide
> adequate, reachable access ports for everything that you can currently
> reach amid cabinetry in the cabin... chain plates, bolts for the jib
> tracks and toe rails, etc.
> 
> That's what came to mind for what it's worth...
> 
> As for available "project boats", there are several in the mid-400s that
> have issues with soft decks (one of ours included)... They would be the
> most obvious candidates for a major deck hack job.
> 
> Enjoy,
> Melissa Currier
> Infinity #57
> Daybreak #458
> 
> 
> > Dear Readers,
> > I am writing to explore the possibility of converting one of the more
> > common
> > Albergs (30, 35, 37) in to an open day-sailer for summer sailing in
> inland
> > waters. Alberg designs seem to be an obvious choice because of their
> > classic
> > grace, good sailing qualities, easy motion, sound construction, and,
> > admittedly, their relatively low prices. I hope the idea is not too
> > offensive
> > for some.
> >      I imagine, for example, an alberg 30 with the raised portion of
> the
> > cabin
> > top removed two inches above its turn into the deck, and in its place
> > installed
> > a large 3-4 ft. deep cockpit with room for approximately eight.
> Naturally,
> > the
> > cockpit coamings would be (gracefully)extended to the remaining cabin
> top,
> > the
> > interior furnishings would be removed, the bulkheads left in place,
> and
> > the
> > floor raised. The weight of these passengers would be low and close to
> the
> > longitudinal center, they could stand below the swing of the boom, in
> the
> > bosom
> > of the boat, as it were, and in general, find space to safely move
> about,
> > frolic and make themselves comfortable.
> >      The lower forward cabin top would remain intact, as would the
> side
> > and
> > forward decks, the bulkhead and door. Granted, many (all) details have
> yet
> > to
> > be worked out particularly with respect to the possibility of
> swamping,
> > well
> > deck drainage, hull strength etc. Nonetheless, I would be very
> interested
> > to
> > hear any Alberg-ophile comments on this idea, or indeed leads on
> 'project'
> > Albergs. Regards, Aaron Nagler Vancouver B.C. Canada. July 14 04 ps. I
> can
> > be
> > reached at either of: naglera at eciad.ca or rainarch at hotmail.com
> >
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