[Public-list] Possible day-sailer project Reply:

Fri Jul 23 16:37:16 PDT 2004

Tim Lackey of Pearson Triton fame  tried a cut down and made a 
daysailer.  Check out the website http://www.tritondaysailor.com/  
Personally, I  like the A30 as a rugged, sweet sailing, good looking 
boat that needs little in the way of modifications, but if the chopped 
daysailing idea has charmed your thinking, check it out.
Regards,
Gary Barker

> Thanks to all for the excellent responses,
> I had not previously considered something like an etchells, possibly 
> because
> there are so few dedicated day-sailing boats in Marinas around 
> vancouver. The
> area is prone to the extremes of dinghys or motor sailers. Anyway, I 
> surely is
> mighty glad I done asked y'all.
> However, I'm torn.  I love the Albergs and want one for cruising (deck
> delamination be damned), but day sailers have their own magic.  
> Perhaps I'll
> look for a real one of each (one day).  Thanks for the Alberg/triton 
> conversion
> links.  Best regards to all,  Aaron Nagler. ps, I was interested by 
> the comment
> that A30s suffering from deck problems could be had in "the mid 400s". 
> I
> suppose this would mean 4000s USD? Do tell.
> Quoting J Bergquist <j at ship.saic.com>:
>
>> Aaron,
>>
>> I personally would not advise converting an Alberg 30 to a day sailor.
>> The boat was not designed to be ONLY a day sailor. For much less
>> temporal and monetary investment, you can find many classic boats
>> available second hand which were designed with day sailing in mind and
>> which will provide you many of the same benefits of an Alberg 30 that 
>> we
>> all love while being much more optimized for people who want to go
>> sailing during the day. The maintenance of these boats will be easier,
>> their sailing equipment will likely be as good or better, their
>> construction will likely be just as stout, and many of them have class
>> associations much like ours (though maybe not QUITE so wonderful...;-)
>>
>> In production boat circles, you might consider a Shields (S&S design
>> circa 1960), an Atlantic (W Starling Burgess design, circa 1920), an
>> Etchells (Etchells design, I'm not sure when), or a Soling (former
>> Olympic class racer). There are active fleets of these boats all 
>> around
>> the country. They are all of similar size to the A30 (roughly 25-30 
>> feet
>> in length, somewhat less beam and deck area, greater draft). There 
>> will
>> be quality secondhand boats available, and all have class 
>> associations.
>> I have not priced them, but I suspect that decent secondhand boats are
>> competitively priced with good secondhand Albergs. None of these boats
>> will have installed mechanical, electrical, plumbing, and so forth.
>> Therefore, they are much simpler to use, sail, and maintain. Poke 
>> around
>> in your area and see what kinds of classes are active, and I'd bet you
>> might find some good day sailors.
>>
>> There are many custom or short-run small and classic daysailors out
>> there available to consider. If you are looking for hidden beauty to
>> bring back, there are plenty of neglected old boats with high pedigree
>> available. You should keep in mind that this kind of project requires 
>> a
>> tremendous amount of time, energy, and money.
>>
>> Personally, my favorite day sailor design is the Buzzard's Bay 25,
>> designed by Nathanael Herreshoff. You might also consider some of the
>> Fisher's Island sloops or Deer Isle one design boats. These boats are
>> beautiful, classic, about the right size, and wonderful sailing
>> machines. Many of them have been around the better part of a century 
>> and
>> are still raced regularly.
>>
>> If you decide that you want a cabin and the capability to go for
>> overnight trips or on the ocean, I think the Alberg 30 would be a 
>> great
>> boat for you. However, if you just want a day sailor, maybe you should
>> think about looking for boats that were designed with the day sailor 
>> in
>> mind, rather than cutting the cabin off a boat designed with other
>> purposes in mind.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> J Bergquist
>> Calliope #287
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: public-list-bounces at alberg30.org
>> [mailto:public-list-bounces at alberg30.org] On Behalf Of Melissa Currier
>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 1:39 PM
>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Possible day-sailer project
>>
>> Interesting thought.  We have certainly "day sailed" our Alberg 30 as
>> is,
>> but if you have the bug, I feel I should raise a few possible
>> considerations for you.
>>
>> 1) The mast is stepped on the upper deck, not the lower forward step 
>> of
>> the cabin, so you will need to somehow retain that portion of the deck
>> and
>> beam.  May keep the v-berth, head and locker as an intact cuddy cabin?
>>
>> 2)  If you have ever sailed an Alberg with people sitting on the cabin
>> top
>> or lounging anywhere midships you will know that you can't see where 
>> you
>> are going from anywhere you can reach the tiller.
>>
>> 3) In designing your new deck and "tanks", you would have to provide
>> adequate, reachable access ports for everything that you can currently
>> reach amid cabinetry in the cabin... chain plates, bolts for the jib
>> tracks and toe rails, etc.
>>
>> That's what came to mind for what it's worth...
>>
>> As for available "project boats", there are several in the mid-400s 
>> that
>> have issues with soft decks (one of ours included)... They would be 
>> the
>> most obvious candidates for a major deck hack job.
>>
>> Enjoy,
>> Melissa Currier
>> Infinity #57
>> Daybreak #458
>>
>>
>>> Dear Readers,
>>> I am writing to explore the possibility of converting one of the more
>>> common
>>> Albergs (30, 35, 37) in to an open day-sailer for summer sailing in
>> inland
>>> waters. Alberg designs seem to be an obvious choice because of their
>>> classic
>>> grace, good sailing qualities, easy motion, sound construction, and,
>>> admittedly, their relatively low prices. I hope the idea is not too
>>> offensive
>>> for some.
>>>      I imagine, for example, an alberg 30 with the raised portion of
>> the
>>> cabin
>>> top removed two inches above its turn into the deck, and in its place
>>> installed
>>> a large 3-4 ft. deep cockpit with room for approximately eight.
>> Naturally,
>>> the
>>> cockpit coamings would be (gracefully)extended to the remaining cabin
>> top,
>>> the
>>> interior furnishings would be removed, the bulkheads left in place,
>> and
>>> the
>>> floor raised. The weight of these passengers would be low and close 
>>> to
>> the
>>> longitudinal center, they could stand below the swing of the boom, in
>> the
>>> bosom
>>> of the boat, as it were, and in general, find space to safely move
>> about,
>>> frolic and make themselves comfortable.
>>>      The lower forward cabin top would remain intact, as would the
>> side
>>> and
>>> forward decks, the bulkhead and door. Granted, many (all) details 
>>> have
>> yet
>>> to
>>> be worked out particularly with respect to the possibility of
>> swamping,
>>> well
>>> deck drainage, hull strength etc. Nonetheless, I would be very
>> interested
>>> to
>>> hear any Alberg-ophile comments on this idea, or indeed leads on
>> 'project'
>>> Albergs. Regards, Aaron Nagler Vancouver B.C. Canada. July 14 04 ps. 
>>> I
>> can
>>> be
>>> reached at either of: naglera at eciad.ca or rainarch at hotmail.com
>>>
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