[Public-list] Possible day-sailer project Reply:

Wed Jul 28 17:09:53 PDT 2004

Thank you,
I'm not entirely discouraged.  The pearson triton conversion is lovely, judging
by it's portraits.  I can only imagine a proper A30 conversion would be equally
successful from an aesthetic perspective.  The appeal of this daysail(er/or?)is
precisely its weight and stability.  I find most daysailers tedious in that one
has to use one's grandmother as rail-meat in order to take her for a sail. To
me such designs miss the point.  While sailing can be a competitive sport, it
can also be a subjective pleasure.  

In any case, supposing I promised not to modify it in any significant way No
Day-Sailer), would anyone care to tell me of Albergs available on the west
coast?  Best to all, Aaron.

Quoting "John G.Morrison" <goalnet at direct.ca>:

> Don't let these people discourage you. Daysailing in Vancouver can be a huge
> ammount of fun.There are tons of places to go depending on how serious you
> are about it and how long yoy want to stayout. But first, consider the day
> sailors that actually have been proven to be practical in our area. Consider
> the Lightning at 19feet displaces about 700 lbs. You should find some at
> Kitsilano Yacht Club..You could consider the Dragon or the Soling,I suspect
> You could find these at Royal Vancouver Yacht Club . Ask some of these
> Owners why they chose them . Then think of where you will moor your
> conversion. Hello it  rains here. I love my Alberg
> but it is a major consideration towing them  But don't  give up the thought
> of going day sailing.
> Regards John  Antares 382.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Barker" <eyewander at prexar.com>
> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at alberg30.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 4:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Possible day-sailer project Reply:
> 
> 
> > Tim Lackey of Pearson Triton fame  tried a cut down and made a
> > daysailer.  Check out the website http://www.tritondaysailor.com/
> > Personally, I  like the A30 as a rugged, sweet sailing, good looking
> > boat that needs little in the way of modifications, but if the chopped
> > daysailing idea has charmed your thinking, check it out.
> > Regards,
> > Gary Barker
> >
> >
> > > Thanks to all for the excellent responses,
> > > I had not previously considered something like an etchells, possibly
> > > because
> > > there are so few dedicated day-sailing boats in Marinas around
> > > vancouver. The
> > > area is prone to the extremes of dinghys or motor sailers. Anyway, I
> > > surely is
> > > mighty glad I done asked y'all.
> > > However, I'm torn.  I love the Albergs and want one for cruising (deck
> > > delamination be damned), but day sailers have their own magic.
> > > Perhaps I'll
> > > look for a real one of each (one day).  Thanks for the Alberg/triton
> > > conversion
> > > links.  Best regards to all,  Aaron Nagler. ps, I was interested by
> > > the comment
> > > that A30s suffering from deck problems could be had in "the mid 400s".
> > > I
> > > suppose this would mean 4000s USD? Do tell.
> > > Quoting J Bergquist <j at ship.saic.com>:
> > >
> > >> Aaron,
> > >>
> > >> I personally would not advise converting an Alberg 30 to a day sailor.
> > >> The boat was not designed to be ONLY a day sailor. For much less
> > >> temporal and monetary investment, you can find many classic boats
> > >> available second hand which were designed with day sailing in mind and
> > >> which will provide you many of the same benefits of an Alberg 30 that
> > >> we
> > >> all love while being much more optimized for people who want to go
> > >> sailing during the day. The maintenance of these boats will be easier,
> > >> their sailing equipment will likely be as good or better, their
> > >> construction will likely be just as stout, and many of them have class
> > >> associations much like ours (though maybe not QUITE so wonderful...;-)
> > >>
> > >> In production boat circles, you might consider a Shields (S&S design
> > >> circa 1960), an Atlantic (W Starling Burgess design, circa 1920), an
> > >> Etchells (Etchells design, I'm not sure when), or a Soling (former
> > >> Olympic class racer). There are active fleets of these boats all
> > >> around
> > >> the country. They are all of similar size to the A30 (roughly 25-30
> > >> feet
> > >> in length, somewhat less beam and deck area, greater draft). There
> > >> will
> > >> be quality secondhand boats available, and all have class
> > >> associations.
> > >> I have not priced them, but I suspect that decent secondhand boats are
> > >> competitively priced with good secondhand Albergs. None of these boats
> > >> will have installed mechanical, electrical, plumbing, and so forth.
> > >> Therefore, they are much simpler to use, sail, and maintain. Poke
> > >> around
> > >> in your area and see what kinds of classes are active, and I'd bet you
> > >> might find some good day sailors.
> > >>
> > >> There are many custom or short-run small and classic daysailors out
> > >> there available to consider. If you are looking for hidden beauty to
> > >> bring back, there are plenty of neglected old boats with high pedigree
> > >> available. You should keep in mind that this kind of project requires
> > >> a
> > >> tremendous amount of time, energy, and money.
> > >>
> > >> Personally, my favorite day sailor design is the Buzzard's Bay 25,
> > >> designed by Nathanael Herreshoff. You might also consider some of the
> > >> Fisher's Island sloops or Deer Isle one design boats. These boats are
> > >> beautiful, classic, about the right size, and wonderful sailing
> > >> machines. Many of them have been around the better part of a century
> > >> and
> > >> are still raced regularly.
> > >>
> > >> If you decide that you want a cabin and the capability to go for
> > >> overnight trips or on the ocean, I think the Alberg 30 would be a
> > >> great
> > >> boat for you. However, if you just want a day sailor, maybe you should
> > >> think about looking for boats that were designed with the day sailor
> > >> in
> > >> mind, rather than cutting the cabin off a boat designed with other
> > >> purposes in mind.
> > >>
> > >> Kind regards,
> > >>
> > >> J Bergquist
> > >> Calliope #287
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: public-list-bounces at alberg30.org
> > >> [mailto:public-list-bounces at alberg30.org] On Behalf Of Melissa Currier
> > >> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 1:39 PM
> > >> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> > >> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Possible day-sailer project
> > >>
> > >> Interesting thought.  We have certainly "day sailed" our Alberg 30 as
> > >> is,
> > >> but if you have the bug, I feel I should raise a few possible
> > >> considerations for you.
> > >>
> > >> 1) The mast is stepped on the upper deck, not the lower forward step
> > >> of
> > >> the cabin, so you will need to somehow retain that portion of the deck
> > >> and
> > >> beam.  May keep the v-berth, head and locker as an intact cuddy cabin?
> > >>
> > >> 2)  If you have ever sailed an Alberg with people sitting on the cabin
> > >> top
> > >> or lounging anywhere midships you will know that you can't see where
> > >> you
> > >> are going from anywhere you can reach the tiller.
> > >>
> > >> 3) In designing your new deck and "tanks", you would have to provide
> > >> adequate, reachable access ports for everything that you can currently
> > >> reach amid cabinetry in the cabin... chain plates, bolts for the jib
> > >> tracks and toe rails, etc.
> > >>
> > >> That's what came to mind for what it's worth...
> > >>
> > >> As for available "project boats", there are several in the mid-400s
> > >> that
> > >> have issues with soft decks (one of ours included)... They would be
> > >> the
> > >> most obvious candidates for a major deck hack job.
> > >>
> > >> Enjoy,
> > >> Melissa Currier
> > >> Infinity #57
> > >> Daybreak #458
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Dear Readers,
> > >>> I am writing to explore the possibility of converting one of the more
> > >>> common
> > >>> Albergs (30, 35, 37) in to an open day-sailer for summer sailing in
> > >> inland
> > >>> waters. Alberg designs seem to be an obvious choice because of their
> > >>> classic
> > >>> grace, good sailing qualities, easy motion, sound construction, and,
> > >>> admittedly, their relatively low prices. I hope the idea is not too
> > >>> offensive
> > >>> for some.
> > >>>      I imagine, for example, an alberg 30 with the raised portion of
> > >> the
> > >>> cabin
> > >>> top removed two inches above its turn into the deck, and in its place
> > >>> installed
> > >>> a large 3-4 ft. deep cockpit with room for approximately eight.
> > >> Naturally,
> > >>> the
> > >>> cockpit coamings would be (gracefully)extended to the remaining cabin
> > >> top,
> > >>> the
> > >>> interior furnishings would be removed, the bulkheads left in place,
> > >> and
> > >>> the
> > >>> floor raised. The weight of these passengers would be low and close
> > >>> to
> > >> the
> > >>> longitudinal center, they could stand below the swing of the boom, in
> > >> the
> > >>> bosom
> > >>> of the boat, as it were, and in general, find space to safely move
> > >> about,
> > >>> frolic and make themselves comfortable.
> > >>>      The lower forward cabin top would remain intact, as would the
> > >> side
> > >>> and
> > >>> forward decks, the bulkhead and door. Granted, many (all) details
> > >>> have
> > >> yet
> > >>> to
> > >>> be worked out particularly with respect to the possibility of
> > >> swamping,
> > >>> well
> > >>> deck drainage, hull strength etc. Nonetheless, I would be very
> > >> interested
> > >>> to
> > >>> hear any Alberg-ophile comments on this idea, or indeed leads on
> > >> 'project'
> > >>> Albergs. Regards, Aaron Nagler Vancouver B.C. Canada. July 14 04 ps.
> > >>> I
> > >> can
> > >>> be
> > >>> reached at either of: naglera at eciad.ca or rainarch at hotmail.com
> > >>>
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