[Public-list] Possible day-sailer project Reply:

Don Campbell dk.campbell at sympatico.ca
Wed Jul 28 17:42:27 PDT 2004 

If you  are thinking of sailing an Alberg 30 as a daysailer in Canada, don't forget
you will need a compliance plate for that boat upon licencing or registration. They
need to see photos of the boat as you want to sail it. With the modifications you
are proposing, you will need flotation in the boat to comply with the law. You will
also have to demonstrate the flotation as you try to sink the hull.
Good luck modifying an Alberg 30 and getting a compliance plate  so that you have a
legal daysailer. Almost any boat that has been designed for the daysailing  purpose
will be well and truly easier to license.
Don

naglera at eciad.ca wrote:

> Thank you,
> I'm not entirely discouraged.  The pearson triton conversion is lovely, judging
> by it's portraits.  I can only imagine a proper A30 conversion would be equally
> successful from an aesthetic perspective.  The appeal of this daysail(er/or?)is
> precisely its weight and stability.  I find most daysailers tedious in that one
> has to use one's grandmother as rail-meat in order to take her for a sail. To
> me such designs miss the point.  While sailing can be a competitive sport, it
> can also be a subjective pleasure.
>
> In any case, supposing I promised not to modify it in any significant way No
> Day-Sailer), would anyone care to tell me of Albergs available on the west
> coast?  Best to all, Aaron.
>
> Quoting "John G.Morrison" <goalnet at direct.ca>:
>
> > Don't let these people discourage you. Daysailing in Vancouver can be a huge
> > ammount of fun.There are tons of places to go depending on how serious you
> > are about it and how long yoy want to stayout. But first, consider the day
> > sailors that actually have been proven to be practical in our area. Consider
> > the Lightning at 19feet displaces about 700 lbs. You should find some at
> > Kitsilano Yacht Club..You could consider the Dragon or the Soling,I suspect
> > You could find these at Royal Vancouver Yacht Club . Ask some of these
> > Owners why they chose them . Then think of where you will moor your
> > conversion. Hello it  rains here. I love my Alberg
> > but it is a major consideration towing them  But don't  give up the thought
> > of going day sailing.
> > Regards John  Antares 382.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gary Barker" <eyewander at prexar.com>
> > To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at alberg30.org>
> > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 4:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Public-list] Possible day-sailer project Reply:
> >
> >
> > > Tim Lackey of Pearson Triton fame  tried a cut down and made a
> > > daysailer.  Check out the website http://www.tritondaysailor.com/
> > > Personally, I  like the A30 as a rugged, sweet sailing, good looking
> > > boat that needs little in the way of modifications, but if the chopped
> > > daysailing idea has charmed your thinking, check it out.
> > > Regards,
> > > Gary Barker
> > >
> > >
> > > > Thanks to all for the excellent responses,
> > > > I had not previously considered something like an etchells, possibly
> > > > because
> > > > there are so few dedicated day-sailing boats in Marinas around
> > > > vancouver. The
> > > > area is prone to the extremes of dinghys or motor sailers. Anyway, I
> > > > surely is
> > > > mighty glad I done asked y'all.
> > > > However, I'm torn.  I love the Albergs and want one for cruising (deck
> > > > delamination be damned), but day sailers have their own magic.
> > > > Perhaps I'll
> > > > look for a real one of each (one day).  Thanks for the Alberg/triton
> > > > conversion
> > > > links.  Best regards to all,  Aaron Nagler. ps, I was interested by
> > > > the comment
> > > > that A30s suffering from deck problems could be had in "the mid 400s".
> > > > I
> > > > suppose this would mean 4000s USD? Do tell.
> > > > Quoting J Bergquist <j at ship.saic.com>:
> > > >
> > > >> Aaron,
> > > >>
> > > >> I personally would not advise converting an Alberg 30 to a day sailor.
> > > >> The boat was not designed to be ONLY a day sailor. For much less
> > > >> temporal and monetary investment, you can find many classic boats
> > > >> available second hand which were designed with day sailing in mind and
> > > >> which will provide you many of the same benefits of an Alberg 30 that
> > > >> we
> > > >> all love while being much more optimized for people who want to go
> > > >> sailing during the day. The maintenance of these boats will be easier,
> > > >> their sailing equipment will likely be as good or better, their
> > > >> construction will likely be just as stout, and many of them have class
> > > >> associations much like ours (though maybe not QUITE so wonderful...;-)
> > > >>
> > > >> In production boat circles, you might consider a Shields (S&S design
> > > >> circa 1960), an Atlantic (W Starling Burgess design, circa 1920), an
> > > >> Etchells (Etchells design, I'm not sure when), or a Soling (former
> > > >> Olympic class racer). There are active fleets of these boats all
> > > >> around
> > > >> the country. They are all of similar size to the A30 (roughly 25-30
> > > >> feet
> > > >> in length, somewhat less beam and deck area, greater draft). There
> > > >> will
> > > >> be quality secondhand boats available, and all have class
> > > >> associations.
> > > >> I have not priced them, but I suspect that decent secondhand boats are
> > > >> competitively priced with good secondhand Albergs. None of these boats
> > > >> will have installed mechanical, electrical, plumbing, and so forth.
> > > >> Therefore, they are much simpler to use, sail, and maintain. Poke
> > > >> around
> > > >> in your area and see what kinds of classes are active, and I'd bet you
> > > >> might find some good day sailors.
> > > >>
> > > >> There are many custom or short-run small and classic daysailors out
> > > >> there available to consider. If you are looking for hidden beauty to
> > > >> bring back, there are plenty of neglected old boats with high pedigree
> > > >> available. You should keep in mind that this kind of project requires
> > > >> a
> > > >> tremendous amount of time, energy, and money.
> > > >>
> > > >> Personally, my favorite day sailor design is the Buzzard's Bay 25,
> > > >> designed by Nathanael Herreshoff. You might also consider some of the
> > > >> Fisher's Island sloops or Deer Isle one design boats. These boats are
> > > >> beautiful, classic, about the right size, and wonderful sailing
> > > >> machines. Many of them have been around the better part of a century
> > > >> and
> > > >> are still raced regularly.
> > > >>
> > > >> If you decide that you want a cabin and the capability to go for
> > > >> overnight trips or on the ocean, I think the Alberg 30 would be a
> > > >> great
> > > >> boat for you. However, if you just want a day sailor, maybe you should
> > > >> think about looking for boats that were designed with the day sailor
> > > >> in
> > > >> mind, rather than cutting the cabin off a boat designed with other
> > > >> purposes in mind.
> > > >>
> > > >> Kind regards,
> > > >>
> > > >> J Bergquist
> > > >> Calliope #287
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: public-list-bounces at alberg30.org
> > > >> [mailto:public-list-bounces at alberg30.org] On Behalf Of Melissa Currier
> > > >> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 1:39 PM
> > > >> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> > > >> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Possible day-sailer project
> > > >>
> > > >> Interesting thought.  We have certainly "day sailed" our Alberg 30 as
> > > >> is,
> > > >> but if you have the bug, I feel I should raise a few possible
> > > >> considerations for you.
> > > >>
> > > >> 1) The mast is stepped on the upper deck, not the lower forward step
> > > >> of
> > > >> the cabin, so you will need to somehow retain that portion of the deck
> > > >> and
> > > >> beam.  May keep the v-berth, head and locker as an intact cuddy cabin?
> > > >>
> > > >> 2)  If you have ever sailed an Alberg with people sitting on the cabin
> > > >> top
> > > >> or lounging anywhere midships you will know that you can't see where
> > > >> you
> > > >> are going from anywhere you can reach the tiller.
> > > >>
> > > >> 3) In designing your new deck and "tanks", you would have to provide
> > > >> adequate, reachable access ports for everything that you can currently
> > > >> reach amid cabinetry in the cabin... chain plates, bolts for the jib
> > > >> tracks and toe rails, etc.
> > > >>
> > > >> That's what came to mind for what it's worth...
> > > >>
> > > >> As for available "project boats", there are several in the mid-400s
> > > >> that
> > > >> have issues with soft decks (one of ours included)... They would be
> > > >> the
> > > >> most obvious candidates for a major deck hack job.
> > > >>
> > > >> Enjoy,
> > > >> Melissa Currier
> > > >> Infinity #57
> > > >> Daybreak #458
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> Dear Readers,
> > > >>> I am writing to explore the possibility of converting one of the more
> > > >>> common
> > > >>> Albergs (30, 35, 37) in to an open day-sailer for summer sailing in
> > > >> inland
> > > >>> waters. Alberg designs seem to be an obvious choice because of their
> > > >>> classic
> > > >>> grace, good sailing qualities, easy motion, sound construction, and,
> > > >>> admittedly, their relatively low prices. I hope the idea is not too
> > > >>> offensive
> > > >>> for some.
> > > >>>      I imagine, for example, an alberg 30 with the raised portion of
> > > >> the
> > > >>> cabin
> > > >>> top removed two inches above its turn into the deck, and in its place
> > > >>> installed
> > > >>> a large 3-4 ft. deep cockpit with room for approximately eight.
> > > >> Naturally,
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> cockpit coamings would be (gracefully)extended to the remaining cabin
> > > >> top,
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> interior furnishings would be removed, the bulkheads left in place,
> > > >> and
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> floor raised. The weight of these passengers would be low and close
> > > >>> to
> > > >> the
> > > >>> longitudinal center, they could stand below the swing of the boom, in
> > > >> the
> > > >>> bosom
> > > >>> of the boat, as it were, and in general, find space to safely move
> > > >> about,
> > > >>> frolic and make themselves comfortable.
> > > >>>      The lower forward cabin top would remain intact, as would the
> > > >> side
> > > >>> and
> > > >>> forward decks, the bulkhead and door. Granted, many (all) details
> > > >>> have
> > > >> yet
> > > >>> to
> > > >>> be worked out particularly with respect to the possibility of
> > > >> swamping,
> > > >>> well
> > > >>> deck drainage, hull strength etc. Nonetheless, I would be very
> > > >> interested
> > > >>> to
> > > >>> hear any Alberg-ophile comments on this idea, or indeed leads on
> > > >> 'project'
> > > >>> Albergs. Regards, Aaron Nagler Vancouver B.C. Canada. July 14 04 ps.
> > > >>> I
> > > >> can
> > > >>> be
> > > >>> reached at either of: naglera at eciad.ca or rainarch at hotmail.com
> > > >>>
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