[Public-list] Racing rules

Fri May 7 07:39:36 PDT 2004

Gord,

Ins't that "DEAR ol'Suprise"


Roger

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net>
To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at alberg30.org>
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Public-list] Racing rules


> Interesting case...
>
> I would say that you were within your rights as windward boat to hold your
> course if all they did was call for room but not make a move to take it.
> Even if you sagged down on them a little you are OK if they do not make a
> move to take their room back.
>
> I was trained to do that in crowded starts...my instructor, an ex-Olympic
> Finn sailor called it "using your elbows to make room".  He suggested
making
> room to weather by calling for it and swooping up under a boat to
windward;
> then edge down a little on the boat to leeward - but only until they
noticed
> and reacted at which point you crowd the boat to weather again.
>
> This sort of thing only becomes unethical if you press rights (on the boat
> to leeward) that you don't have by ignoring their rightful attempt to take
> back room.
>
> The danger is that the boat to leeward can protest (as he did) knowing
that
> in the protest court he is the one who walks in with the halo already
> shining.  I'll bet the swoop to leeward was theatrical to underline hurt
> feelings.  The "port tack" error you mention underlines that he might be a
> less experienced sailor and took what he felt was "too close" (10' is a
> mile) as personal and aggressive.
>
> On another area - we race up here under the "new" IYRU rules that don't
> automatically disqualify a boat in a protest situation anymore.  Are you
> familiar with the change a few years ago?  If in doubt you can clear the
> slate with a 360 before the end of the race.
>
> Our first race is in a couple of weeks - ol'Surprise was brought home to
the
> Club from the marina yesterday and our first practice may be Sunday.
Can't
> wait.
>
> Gord #426 Surprise
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > This actually happened about 1 boat length below the line because when
we
> > headed up, we crossed the starting line at +1 second.
> >
> > This was Sunday a few weeks ago in a Bay high point round the bouys
race.
> > Winds were 18-20 and 3 foot waves on the line. At the moment since we
lost
> > the protest, we are DSQ. Protest notwithstanding, we actually won the
race
> > by several minutes.
> >
> > Their protest centered on their claim that we came down on them instead
of
> > remaining on our heading or coming up as requested.
> >
> > We printed out the GPS track showing headings, speed and time of day for
the
> > protest committee that showed we never altered course until after their
> > protest and we were heading up to start (they were bearing away at that
> > point, then came back up and crossed at the pin end of the line).
> >
> > Their protest form said we were on PORT tack too. They didn't even know
what
> > tack they were on.
> >
> > It ended with a QUOTE: "they do this kind of thing on the starting line
all
> > of the time and we were fed up".
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: Bill Blevins <billblevins at mac.com>
> >> Reply-To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
<public-list at alberg30.org>
> >> Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 07:59:33 -0400
> >> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all <public-list at alberg30.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Racing rules
> >>
> >> Not sure. No obstruction, no other boats on the line in front of them.
We
> >> both were in the middle of the line and about 2 boat lengths below it
when
> >> they bore off. The windward boat was a 36 footer and the leeward boat
was a
> >> 28 footer. The leeward boat was in bad air at that time and probably
> >> couldn't have come up much without the windward boat driving right over
> >> them.
> >>
> >> (Now you know I was the windward boat. I didn't come up when they
called for
> >> room because they still had 10-15 feet. We were on the winches ready to
come
> >> up when they started, but they maintained their position. We lost the
> >> protest at SMSA on Wednesday and are appealing to CBYRA.)
> >>
> >> Bill
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: John Birch <Sunstone at cogeco.ca>
> >>> Reply-To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
<public-list at alberg30.org>
> >>> Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 07:52:27 -0400
> >>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all <public-list at alberg30.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Racing rules
> >>>
> >>> Data insufficient - Why did the leeward boat bearoff, obstruction, ran
out
> >>> the line, other ?
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Bill Blevins" <billblevins at mac.com>
> >>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at alberg30.org>
> >>> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 7:44 AM
> >>> Subject: [Public-list] Racing rules
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> 5 SECONDS TO START: Two boats sail on a starboard close reach are
running
> >>>> the starting line. Leeward boat has established overlap. Separation
> >>> between
> >>>> boats is 10-15 feet. Windward boat is sailing slightly faster.
> >>>>
> >>>> 10 SECONDS TO START: Positions are still about the same when the
leeward
> >>>> boat calls for room to head up but doesn't alter course, maintaining
> >>>> position 10-15 feet below the windward boat.
> >>>>
> >>>> 5 SECONDS TO START: Positions remain about the same with 10-15 feet
> >>>> separation and leeward boat overlapped with their bow abeam of the
> >>> windward
> >>>> boat. Windward boat is protested by the leeward boat for not coming
up.
> >>>> Leeward boat bears off dramatically and the windward boat heads up to
the
> >>>> starting line and has a clean start.
> >>>>
> >>>> Valid protest?
> >>>>
> >>>> --
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