[Public-list] "No V-berth", she says. What's the alternative?

[Mike Lehman]

Actually John, I wouldn't dare to be right behind you and maybe not even in 
the same county.

Seriously, we have a v-berth filler that works great. There are wooden 
cleats around the perimeter of the cabinet work and a 3-piece plywood set 
that provides plenty of support. The small forward piece stores under the 
seat in the forward cabin and the other two store under the berths. I used 
George's trick of using foam pipe insulation over the fiddles to cushion the 
edges and stuffed 6" of foam in the 4" cushion covers to provide extra 
cushioning. Very cozy. For hot summer months, we put a wind scoop over the 
forward hatch with a screen and sleep very well - bug free.

Let me know how she reacts to the suggestion about sleeping in the cockpit.

Mike Lehman
 ><((((º>¸.·´¯`·...¸><((((º>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Kennedy" <John.Kennedy at gov.ab.ca>
To: <public-list at alberg30.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 5:50 PM
Subject: [Public-list] "No V-berth", she says. What's the alternative?


> Mike Lehman wrote:
>
> "Tell her to sleep in the cockpit."
>
> Thanks, Mike. I betcha you'll be right behind me when I tell her that. 
> About
> 5 miles behind me! <grin>
>
> Michael Connolly contributed this, which raises a question:
>
> "Might just be easier to purchase one of those 'wider' boats and let
> the Albergs be for the more adventuresome skinny people."
>
> Michael: can you suggest a worthy "wider" boat which is of Alberg-type
> quality? I know that Alberg's aren't the *only* good boats in the world -
> they're just the only good boats *I* know of!
>
> Turns out, on further chatting with my sweetie, that her real objection 
> was
> to the poor construction of the V-berth insert supports, which allowed the
> insert to fall out at least twice per night. I think that problem would be
> readily solved.
>
> She also wants something suitably raised to step down onto, and slightly
> more stable than a Rubbermaid stool. I think a removable wooden step could
> be fabricated as well.
>
> My first thought (not having finished restoring the Fireball and merely
> dreaming about the Alberg) would be to laminate 2 horizontal supports with
> epoxy (perhaps 1x3?) and attach them to the sides of the notch in the
> V-berth, either epoxied, through-bolted, or both. I'd laminate so that the
> supports won't be affected by shrinking or swelling as much as a plain 
> piece
> of hardwood.
>
> Then, I think I'd cut 2 slanting dovetails into each notch, to accept a
> matching shape on each of two cross-supports for under the insert. (I'd 
> line
> the joints with sheet brass, I think, for wear protection.)  The joint 
> would
> be similar to that sometimes used to join frames to keels on wooden boats.
>
> That way, as weight and gravity acted on the joint, the joints would 
> become
> tighter, not looser, thus less inclined to fall out. I'd add a hook or
> barrel bolt to stop the insert from falling down if the boat became
> inverted. That way, I wouldn't fall out of bed if the boat rolls! <grin>
>
> Any comments on the practicality of any of the above.
>
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>    1. Re: "No V-berth", she says. What's the alternative?
>       (Michael Connolly)
>    2. RE: mainsail reefing (Bob)
>    3. Re: "No V-berth", she says. What's the alternative?
>       (Roger L. Kingsland)
>    4. Re: "No V-berth", she says. What's the alternative?
>       (Michael Connolly)
>    5. Re: "No V-berth", she says. What's the alternative? (John Irving)
>    6. Re: "No V-berth", she says. What's the alternative? (Mike Lehman)
>    7. Re: "No V-berth", she says. What's the alternative?
>       (Michael Connolly)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:57:41 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Michael Connolly <crufone at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Public-list] "No V-berth", she says. What's the
> alternative?
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all <public-list at alberg30.org>
> Message-ID: <20041028165741.7411.qmail at web81001.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hello,
> I was thinking about fabricating a removable filler between the two main
> cabin berths.  Was planning on using table brackets mounted on both trim
> pieces on the outside of each of the berths, (wooden cleats could also be
> installed).  A sturdy panel would then be supported on each side by the
> table brackets.  Main issue is how to store the panel and mattress when 
> not
> in use.
> Michael
>
> Gail DeMoss <gdemoss at alberg30.org> wrote:
> Some A30 owners have inserted a "fill", in the main cabin, across the
> cabin to connect the two seats. The back cushions are then used to make
> the "double bed". Maybe someone who has done this can explain it better.
>
> I am not crazy about the V-berth for sleeping. Too hard to get in and
> out and I am always whacking my head, elbows, knees or sticking a foot
> in Georges back, face, stomach, etc.
>
> Gail Dinwiddie
> Calypso #543
>
>
>
> John Kennedy wrote:
> > My spouse remarked the other day that "I will NOT sleep in a V-berth
> again!"
> >
> > Can anyone make some useful suggestions on double-sized sleeping
> > arrangements, preferably of the aft-cabin sort, and the boats that
> surround
> > them?
> >
> > Thanks, everyone.
> >
> > John
>
> >
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:15:03 -0300
> From: Bob <bob at fox.nstn.ca>
> Subject: RE: [Public-list] mainsail reefing
> To: 'Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all' <public-list at alberg30.org>
> Message-ID: <000c01c4bd11$aa00a840$78010a0a at bobc>
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>
>
> Hi John,
>
> I have the outer turning blocks (at outer end of boom) for the reef lines
> and cleats on the starboard side of the boom.
>
> My preference is that I would rather be on a starboard tack (especially 
> when
> racing) when putting a first or second reef in.
>
> My guess is that you're not racing when you put a second reef in!
>
> I would prefer and hopefully not have to give way to another boat while
> getting caught putting a reef in while on starboard tack.
>
> The boat can be reefed while on either tack but easier while on starboard
> tack.
>
> Instead of having cleats on the mast end of the boom for the reef lines,
> Double Spinlocks with a winch on the mast end of the boom is "really nice"
> to winch the first or second reef line in but it adds to the cost of the
> whole setup.
>
> Just my 2 cents worth.
>
> Bob
> A30 #560
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-list-bounces at alberg30.org
> [mailto:public-list-bounces at alberg30.org] On Behalf Of James Schueler
> Sent: October 28, 2004 11:50 AM
> To: public-list at alberg30.org
> Subject: [Public-list] mainsail reefing
>
> Hello all,
>
> Would someone be able to explain in detail how to set up reefing for the
> main? Cringles and grommets are in place on the sail and cleats and
> fairleads on the boom but I'm not too sure of the proper way to run the
> lines. I've seen pictures where it appears the reefing lines run under
> and around the boom. I know I didn't have my last boat set up that way
> so I'm a bit confused.
>
> Thanks,
>
> James Schueler
> "Oddyseus" #170
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:29:17 -0400
> From: "Roger L. Kingsland" <rkingsland101 at ksba.com>
> Subject: Re: [Public-list] "No V-berth", she says. What's the
> alternative?
> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at alberg30.org>
> Message-ID: <021501c4bd13$a708b310$9c00a8c0 at office.ksba>
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>
> Michael,
>
> One thought I had but have not confirmed is doable is to hinge the panel 
> at
> the forward end so it can be placed in a vertical position when someone
> wants to exit the berth.  Of course, in that position, it would get wider 
> as
> it gets taller and the question is would it block access to the forward 
> ends
> of the V berths too much.
>
> I saw a photograph somewhere of the removable cabin table stored against 
> the
> overhead at the forward end of the V berth.  This could also be a good 
> place
> to store "the wedge."  If I ever install an anchor locker hatch at the
> pointy end, it will be possible to use this space (above your feet) for
> additional shelf or locker space which could go down to about 14" above 
> the
> cushion and extend about 18" aft of the forward bulkhead.
>
> Roger Kingsland
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Connolly" <crufone at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at alberg30.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 12:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Public-list] "No V-berth", she says. What's the alternative?
>
>
> > Hello,
> > I was thinking about fabricating a removable filler between the two main
> cabin berths.  Was planning on using table brackets mounted on both trim
> pieces on the outside of each of the berths, (wooden cleats could also be
> installed).  A sturdy panel would then be supported on each side by the
> table brackets.  Main issue is how to store the panel and mattress when 
> not
> in use.
> > Michael
> >
> > Gail DeMoss <gdemoss at alberg30.org> wrote:
> > Some A30 owners have inserted a "fill", in the main cabin, across the
> > cabin to connect the two seats. The back cushions are then used to make
> > the "double bed". Maybe someone who has done this can explain it better.
> >
> > I am not crazy about the V-berth for sleeping. Too hard to get in and
> > out and I am always whacking my head, elbows, knees or sticking a foot
> > in Georges back, face, stomach, etc.
> >
> > Gail Dinwiddie
> > Calypso #543
> >
> >
> >
> > John Kennedy wrote:
> > > My spouse remarked the other day that "I will NOT sleep in a V-berth
> again!"
> > >
> > > Can anyone make some useful suggestions on double-sized sleeping
> > > arrangements, preferably of the aft-cabin sort, and the boats that
> surround
> > > them?
> > >
> > > Thanks, everyone.
> > >
> > > John
> >
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:57:21 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Michael Connolly <crufone at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Public-list] "No V-berth", she says. What's the
> alternative?
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all <public-list at alberg30.org>
> Message-ID: <20041028175721.62098.qmail at web81007.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Roger,
> I guess that I would rather use a piano hinge so that the platform would
> fold in half for storage.  One could, in addition, have a fore and aft
> section each that would also fold in half.  Thus the folding platforms 
> might
> be only 18" by 36" by 2" thick. One would have two of these that could 
> more
> easily be stored on board.  I was imagining this arrangement to be set up
> only when needed at sleep time and then disassembled and put up when
> underway.  When set up it would make it very ackward to get around the 
> main
> cabin.
>
> Oh yes, another possibility would be to make two panels of appropriate
> length, that would be supported by cross members in either cleats or
> brackets.  These panels could then be stored under the seatee cushions one
> on each side and the cross members in the drawers underneath the seatees?
>
> The major consideration in my book would be to design the support brackets
> on the inside of the seatee trim to not be dangerious protrusions that 
> could
> cause injury when not in use.
>
> I am sure that others on this list have worked this arrangement out and 
> can
> comment further.
>
> Michael
>
> "Roger L. Kingsland" <rkingsland101 at ksba.com> wrote:
> Michael,
>
> One thought I had but have not confirmed is doable is to hinge the panel 
> at
> the forward end so it can be placed in a vertical position when someone
> wants to exit the berth. Of course, in that position, it would get wider 
> as
> it gets taller and the question is would it block access to the forward 
> ends
> of the V berths too much.
>
> I saw a photograph somewhere of the removable cabin table stored against 
> the
> overhead at the forward end of the V berth. This could also be a good 
> place
> to store "the wedge." If I ever install an anchor locker hatch at the
> pointy end, it will be possible to use this space (above your feet) for
> additional shelf or locker space which could go down to about 14" above 
> the
> cushion and extend about 18" aft of the forward bulkhead.
>
> Roger Kingsland
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Connolly"
> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
>
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 12:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Public-list] "No V-berth", she says. What's the alternative?
>
>
> > Hello,
> > I was thinking about fabricating a removable filler between the two main
> cabin berths. Was planning on using table brackets mounted on both trim
> pieces on the outside of each of the berths, (wooden cleats could also be
> installed). A sturdy panel would then be supported on each side by the
> table brackets. Main issue is how to store the panel and mattress when not
> in use.
> > Michael
> >
> > Gail DeMoss wrote:
> > Some A30 owners have inserted a "fill", in the main cabin, across the
> > cabin to connect the two seats. The back cushions are then used to make
> > the "double bed". Maybe someone who has done this can explain it better.
> >
> > I am not crazy about the V-berth for sleeping. Too hard to get in and
> > out and I am always whacking my head, elbows, knees or sticking a foot
> > in Georges back, face, stomach, etc.
> >
> > Gail Dinwiddie
> > Calypso #543
> >
> >
> >
> > John Kennedy wrote:
> > > My spouse remarked the other day that "I will NOT sleep in a V-berth
> again!"
> > >
> > > Can anyone make some useful suggestions on double-sized sleeping
> > > arrangements, preferably of the aft-cabin sort, and the boats that
> surround
> > > them?
> > >
> > > Thanks, everyone.
> > >
> > > John
> >
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:08:39 -0400
> From: John Irving <a30blueteal at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Public-list] "No V-berth", she says. What's the
> alternative?
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all <public-list at alberg30.org>
> Message-ID: <3415472504102811086ebbc27a at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> James Baldwin made a sliding double berth on his Triton.
>
> Check the last four images on this page:
>
> http://www.atomvoyages.com/projects/atomprojects2.htm
>
>
> On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:57:21 -0700 (PDT), Michael Connolly
> <crufone at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > Roger,
> > I guess that I would rather use a piano hinge so that the platform would
> fold in half for storage.  One could, in addition, have a fore and aft
> section each that would also fold in half.  Thus the folding platforms 
> might
> be only 18" by 36" by 2" thick. One would have two of these that could 
> more
> easily be stored on board.  I was imagining this arrangement to be set up
> only when needed at sleep time and then disassembled and put up when
> underway.  When set up it would make it very ackward to get around the 
> main
> cabin.
> >
> > Oh yes, another possibility would be to make two panels of appropriate
> length, that would be supported by cross members in either cleats or
> brackets.  These panels could then be stored under the seatee cushions one
> on each side and the cross members in the drawers underneath the seatees?
> >
> > The major consideration in my book would be to design the support 
> > brackets
> on the inside of the seatee trim to not be dangerious protrusions that 
> could
> cause injury when not in use.
> >
> > I am sure that others on this list have worked this arrangement out and
> can comment further.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:17:20 -0400
> From: "Mike Lehman" <sail_505 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Public-list] "No V-berth", she says. What's the
> alternative?
> To: public-list at alberg30.org
> Message-ID: <BAY15-F4m5R4r3mbfJ800039e3c at hotmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>
> Tell her to sleep in the cockpit. One cold night, with rain and mosquitos
> and she will gladly slepp in the v-berth again.
>
>
>
> Mike Lehman
>  ><((((o>,.*??`*...,><((((o>
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Michael Connolly <crufone at sbcglobal.net>
> Reply-To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all <public-list at alberg30.org>
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all <public-list at alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Public-list] "No V-berth", she says. What's the alternative?
> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:57:21 -0700 (PDT)
>
> Roger,
> I guess that I would rather use a piano hinge so that the platform would
> fold in half for storage.  One could, in addition, have a fore and aft
> section each that would also fold in half.  Thus the folding platforms 
> might
>
> be only 18" by 36" by 2" thick. One would have two of these that could 
> more
> easily be stored on board.  I was imagining this arrangement to be set up
> only when needed at sleep time and then disassembled and put up when
> underway.  When set up it would make it very ackward to get around the 
> main
> cabin.
>
> Oh yes, another possibility would be to make two panels of appropriate
> length, that would be supported by cross members in either cleats or
> brackets.  These panels could then be stored under the seatee cushions one
> on each side and the cross members in the drawers underneath the seatees?
>
> The major consideration in my book would be to design the support brackets
> on the inside of the seatee trim to not be dangerious protrusions that 
> could
>
> cause injury when not in use.
>
> I am sure that others on this list have worked this arrangement out and 
> can
> comment further.
>
> Michael
>
> "Roger L. Kingsland" <rkingsland101 at ksba.com> wrote:
> Michael,
>
> One thought I had but have not confirmed is doable is to hinge the panel 
> at
> the forward end so it can be placed in a vertical position when someone
> wants to exit the berth. Of course, in that position, it would get wider 
> as
> it gets taller and the question is would it block access to the forward 
> ends
> of the V berths too much.
>
> I saw a photograph somewhere of the removable cabin table stored against 
> the
> overhead at the forward end of the V berth. This could also be a good 
> place
> to store "the wedge." If I ever install an anchor locker hatch at the
> pointy end, it will be possible to use this space (above your feet) for
> additional shelf or locker space which could go down to about 14" above 
> the
> cushion and extend about 18" aft of the forward bulkhead.
>
> Roger Kingsland
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Connolly"
> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
>
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 12:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Public-list] "No V-berth", she says. What's the alternative?
>
>
>  > Hello,
>  > I was thinking about fabricating a removable filler between the two 
> main
> cabin berths. Was planning on using table brackets mounted on both trim
> pieces on the outside of each of the berths, (wooden cleats could also be
> installed). A sturdy panel would then be supported on each side by the
> table brackets. Main issue is how to store the panel and mattress when not
> in use.
>  > Michael
>  >
>  > Gail DeMoss wrote:
>  > Some A30 owners have inserted a "fill", in the main cabin, across the
>  > cabin to connect the two seats. The back cushions are then used to make
>  > the "double bed". Maybe someone who has done this can explain it 
> better.
>  >
>  > I am not crazy about the V-berth for sleeping. Too hard to get in and
>  > out and I am always whacking my head, elbows, knees or sticking a foot
>  > in Georges back, face, stomach, etc.
>  >
>  > Gail Dinwiddie
>  > Calypso #543
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > John Kennedy wrote:
>  > > My spouse remarked the other day that "I will NOT sleep in a V-berth
> again!"
>  > >
>  > > Can anyone make some useful suggestions on double-sized sleeping
>  > > arrangements, preferably of the aft-cabin sort, and the boats that
> surround
>  > > them?
>  > >
>  > > Thanks, everyone.
>  > >
>  > > John
>  >
>  > >
>  >
>  > _______________________________________________
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>  >
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:02:47 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Michael Connolly <crufone at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Public-list] "No V-berth", she says. What's the
> alternative?
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all <public-list at alberg30.org>
> Message-ID: <20041028210247.58101.qmail at web81005.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Mike,
> I suppose that proposition was in your prenuptial
> agreement.....................otherwise.......  :-o,  :-o
>
> Might just be easier to purchase one of those 'wider' boats and let the
> Albergs be for the more adventuresome skinny people.
> Michael
>
> Mike Lehman <sail_505 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Tell her to sleep in the cockpit. One cold night, with rain and mosquitos
> and she will gladly slepp in the v-berth again.
>
>
>
> Mike Lehman
> ><((((o>,.*??`*...,><((((o>
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Michael Connolly
> Reply-To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>
> Subject: Re: [Public-list] "No V-berth", she says. What's the alternative?
> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:57:21 -0700 (PDT)
>
> Roger,
> I guess that I would rather use a piano hinge so that the platform would
> fold in half for storage. One could, in addition, have a fore and aft
> section each that would also fold in half. Thus the folding platforms 
> might
> be only 18" by 36" by 2" thick. One would have two of these that could 
> more
> easily be stored on board. I was imagining this arrangement to be set up
> only when needed at sleep time and then disassembled and put up when
> underway. When set up it would make it very ackward to get around the main
> cabin.
>
> Oh yes, another possibility would be to make two panels of appropriate
> length, that would be supported by cross members in either cleats or
> brackets. These panels could then be stored under the seatee cushions one
> on each side and the cross members in the drawers underneath the seatees?
>
> The major consideration in my book would be to design the support brackets
> on the inside of the seatee trim to not be dangerious protrusions that 
> could
>
> cause injury when not in use.
>
> I am sure that others on this list have worked this arrangement out and 
> can
> comment further.
>
> Michael
>
> "Roger L. Kingsland" wrote:
> Michael,
>
> One thought I had but have not confirmed is doable is to hinge the panel 
> at
> the forward end so it can be placed in a vertical position when someone
> wants to exit the berth. Of course, in that position, it would get wider 
> as
> it gets taller and the question is would it block access to the forward 
> ends
> of the V berths too much.
>
> I saw a photograph somewhere of the removable cabin table stored against 
> the
> overhead at the forward end of the V berth. This could also be a good 
> place
> to store "the wedge." If I ever install an anchor locker hatch at the
> pointy end, it will be possible to use this space (above your feet) for
> additional shelf or locker space which could go down to about 14" above 
> the
> cushion and extend about 18" aft of the forward bulkhead.
>
> Roger Kingsland
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Connolly"
> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
>
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 12:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Public-list] "No V-berth", she says. What's the alternative?
>
>
> > Hello,
> > I was thinking about fabricating a removable filler between the two main
> cabin berths. Was planning on using table brackets mounted on both trim
> pieces on the outside of each of the berths, (wooden cleats could also be
> installed). A sturdy panel would then be supported on each side by the
> table brackets. Main issue is how to store the panel and mattress when not
> in use.
> > Michael
> >
> > Gail DeMoss wrote:
> > Some A30 owners have inserted a "fill", in the main cabin, across the
> > cabin to connect the two seats. The back cushions are then used to make
> > the "double bed". Maybe someone who has done this can explain it better.
> >
> > I am not crazy about the V-berth for sleeping. Too hard to get in and
> > out and I am always whacking my head, elbows, knees or sticking a foot
> > in Georges back, face, stomach, etc.
> >
> > Gail Dinwiddie
> > Calypso #543
> >
> >
> >
> > John Kennedy wrote:
> > > My spouse remarked the other day that "I will NOT sleep in a V-berth
> again!"
> > >
> > > Can anyone make some useful suggestions on double-sized sleeping
> > > arrangements, preferably of the aft-cabin sort, and the boats that
> surround
> > > them?
> > >
> > > Thanks, everyone.
> > >
> > > John
> >
> > >
> >
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