[Public-list] PHII head plumbing
Mike Lehman
sail_505 at hotmail.com
Mon Apr 17 06:18:10 PDT 2006
John,
As you know the A30s down here have been very proactive about retrofitting
holding tanks. I ran a group purchse a few years ago and helped install 23
holding tanks.
No here is what pisses me off...On December 17th a 36" sewer pipe at the
headwaters to our little creek collapsed and it took the county 26 hours to
repair the pipe. Meanwhile 3,000,000 gallons of raw sewage flowed into our
creek and 170 dump trucks of sand came with it. We have been to all of the
hearings and they tell us about all of the efforts that are being made and
costs to fix the damage and prevent future spills. As far as the clean up,
we are on the committee to monitor water quality, but there are no "clean
up" efforts. They tell me that the sewage bacteria (because it was December
and cold) did not survive and the natural systems will take care of the
rest. So why are we so @$#$%&&@# concerned about using a holding tank? Do
you have any idea how long it would take me to produce 3M gallons of waster?
Don't worry, I will always use my holding tank.
Mike Lehman
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----Original Message Follows----
From: "John Birch" <Sunstone at cogeco.ca>
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To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at alberg30.org>
Subject: Re: [Public-list] PHII head plumbing
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 12:21:00 -0400
"Great Lakes ... Pumping overboard is a no - no here even though I suspect
one of the previous owners in the Cleveland area did do this."
Unbelievable, eh Dave.
Anybody who pumps overboard on the GL should be hung by their heels and
never mind the rationalizations about other types of pollution from other
sources. Its simply inexcusable and I believe the MOE fine is about $5,000
and impounding until remedied.
We sat in an anchorage down in the 1000 Islands and watched a boat anchor in
front of us who was clearly pumping out ... another reason for installing
the long 9's ; )
Ok, rant finished.
Thanks.
Cheers
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Terrell" <dterrell at message.nmc.edu>
To: <public-list at alberg30.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Public-list] PHII head plumbing
>I use odorloss which can be purchased at westmarine and have no problems
>with odor. You are correct - the boats were built for overboard discharge
>but on the Great Lakes we have to have holding tanks. Pumping overboard is
>a no - no here even though I suspect one of the previous owners in the
>Cleveland area did do this. Raritan recommends the arrangement I have if
>the head is mounted below the water line which I think mine is. On the
>previous head I did have a case when water came into the head through th
> e seacock and almost overlfowed - I did not have the present plumbing
> routing - must not have had the dry bowl on. anyway, I now have double
> protection with the vented loop and the dry bowl. That is the logic of my
> system. It took some careful looking to figure out what Raritan wanted.
>
>>>> gdinwiddie at alberg30.org 04/14/06 12:27 AM >>>
> Most of our boats were built for direct overboard discharge, so no
> chemicals were necessary. Any vented loop was generally in the
> discharge hose, between the head and the through-hull, so it wouldn't
> siphon back after pumping. The intake was protected as long as you put
> the lever on the head pump back to the "dry bowl" position.
>
> If you've got a holding tank, then you'll want something to help with
> odors. The primary defense is an exchange of oxygen, accomplished with
> two large vent hoses. I've also used ordinary "head treatment"
> chemicals, which are mostly deodorant.
>
> Prior to swapping in the holding tank for the old Mansfield TDX system,
> then the treatment was formaldehyde. This is a really noxious
> chemical--a cure worse than the disease.
>
> This year I plan to try KO
>
(http://www.raritaneng.com/products/cleaning_maintenance/kills_odors.html),
> a product marketed by Peggie Hall of Peal Products before her company
> was purchased by Raritan.
>
> - George
>
> Peter Staehling wrote:
>>> 3. from the other side of the vented loop to the
>>> water intake at the back of the head.
>>
>> Aurora's head seems to be working fine now that I
>> hooked up the seacock directly to the front of the
>> pump.
>>
>> There is currently no vented loop between the back of
>> the pump and the bowl. Is one really
>> necessary/recommended? Someone (Mike?) said the bowl
>> was above the waterline on this vintage of A30. I
>> guess that probably isn't true when heeled to port.
>>
>> I was amazed that everything seemed to work since it
>> looked like it was never winterized at least on the
>> intake side.
>>
>> One more question. The manual for the PHII didn't
>> mention chemicals. What do you use if anything? How
>> do you add it to the tank? Flush it? Pour it down
>> the pumpout?
>>
>> Pete
>> #554
>
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