[Public-list] #2

Thu Oct 12 06:32:19 PDT 2006

Hi there - 

I will look to get you the measurements and weight... In the meantime you
can see our #3 in the pictures that George D. put on the website in the
reefing pontification I wrote a while ago.  I had that sail cut with a high
clew partly because the sail is mitre cut and partly to keep the foot of the
sail high and out of the water so that if we were being swept by waves the
sail would be out of trouble (yes I too have dreams of going to sea
again...)

The day those pictures were taken we beat to windward in over 30Kts of wind;
in the background you can see the wind whipping the surface off the water.
We paused in the lee of a point to change down the headsail then tuck two
reefs in the main.  The boat was still occasionally laid over but went like
a train.  I am the guy in the tan coloured hat...

The progression of sail changes you listed look good to me... The basic
principal of shortening sail from aft forward is correct.  The best thing is
to try it and see what your boat likes.

Gord

> Gordon-
> 
> Can you tell me rough dimensions, cloth weight, and wind range for your #3?
> 
> Also, what do people consider the correct wind range for using a #2? Having
> never had one, I have no real idea. I was thinking something like 18-25
> knots. Is that about right? Speaking of wind ranges...my thought is as
> follows:
> 
> 0-12 full main, full #1.
> 12-18 Full #1, reefed main
> 18-22 #2, Full main
> 23-28 #2, Reefed main
> Over 28, #3, reefed main.
> 
> thoughts? Does that sound about right? Again, sorry if these are dumb
> questions. I am not a very experienced keelboat sailor... Not used to having
> 3 different headsails.
> 
> J
> 
> On 10/12/06, Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning -
>> 
>> Shorter luffs were common in the 'old days' because of the good effect of
>> lowering the centre of area on stability.  Today people tend to like
>> longer
>> luffs because it is felt narrow sails perform better upwind.  Both are
>> right
>> ... but I went long luff for my sail.
>> 
>> The seam pattern is called 'mitre cut' and until somewhat recently was the
>> normal way to set up the seam patterns of a sail.  It is not in fashion
>> now
>> but it did allow the sailmaker to build very subtle shapes in a sail...but
>> was more work.  You generally don't see them anymore.
>> 
>> I believe in going one weight up from what the sailmaker recommends for a
>> particular sail... It will cost you a little more but you will end up with
>> a
>> good strong sail that will keep its shape longer.  I did not do this with
>> my
>> 140 genny, but did with the #3 and will when I have a main built
>> (hopefully
>> this winter).
>> 
>> Cheers -
>> 
>> Gord #426 Suprise
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Past Association Commodore Bob Kirk was kind enough to give me his old
>> #2. I
>>> measured it last night with a friend in the middle of my street and the
>>> dimensions I found are as follows:
>>> 
>>> Luff 31'4" with a 3'4" wire pendant at the top
>>> Foot 14' 11.5"
>>> Leech 30' 4"
>>> LP 14' 2.25" (this makes it a 135% sail)
>>> Height of LP 4' 8.75"
>>> 
>>> This sail was very old and I did not have tackle to stretch it really
>> hard,
>>> so we were just doing that by hand on my driveway. It says 'Ulmer" which
>>> apparently is UK before they were UK.
>>> 
>>> There is a lot of leech hollow.
>>> 
>>> I was surprised at the short luff. This seems strange to me for a #2. I
>>> expected the sail to be full hoist (luff dimension of at least 34 ft). I
>>> would be interested in hearing people's thoughts on these measurements -
>>> whether they are good numbers to shoot for, or whether they are too big
>> or
>>> too small (particularly LP, foot dimension, and luff length).
>>> 
>>> There was kind of a strange seaming pattern. One seam ran from clew to
>> luff,
>>> ending a few feet above LP. Below this seam, panel seams ran vertically
>>> (more or less parallel to the luff). Above this seam, panel seams were
>> cross
>>> cut (more or less parallel to the foot).
>>> 
>>> I have gotten concrete sail quotes from UK, North, and Sail Rite. The
>> Sail
>>> Rite guy assures me that if I build one of his sails it will be just as
>> good
>>> as a brand name sail. My thought is not only will I save some money, but
>> I
>>> will also get to learn how to do canvaswork which would enable me to do
>> my
>>> own sail, cover, and upholstery repairs in the future.
>>> 
>>> All the quotes seem to be built around cloth weight of 6.5 Oz to 7 Oz.
>> Any
>>> thoughts on that?
>>> 
>>> I appreciate y'alls patience and input on this. Sorry to be so dense. I
>> just
>>> want to be an informed customer rather than just asking the sailmaker to
>>> figure everythign out for me. Since I am kind of an idiot when it comes
>> to
>>> sailmaking, I am probably asking things that some of you think are
>> silly.
>>> Again, preciate your patience.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> J Bergquist
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