[Public-List] More on lifting Alberg 30's ~ Solutions

Thu Nov 13 02:10:10 PST 2008

Aft of the rudder on the counter

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dan walker" <dsailormon at yahoo.com>
To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Public-List] More on lifting Alberg 30's ~ Solutions


>i keep reading aft of the horn timber. if th alberg has a horn timber, 
>shouldn't the strap be forwrd of the horn timber, forward of the rudder 
>shoe?
> remember, i am a poor ignorant accountant
> dan
>
>
> --- On Wed, 11/12/08, John Birch <Sunstone at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
>> From: John Birch <Sunstone at cogeco.ca>
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] More on lifting Alberg 30's ~ Solutions
>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" 
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 5:47 PM
>> Straps should always be tied continuously from bow to stern
>> and around the straps once the straps have loaded up. This
>> prevents the straps from slipping and in a worst case the
>> boat sliding out of the slings.
>>
>> We have never had a strap slip - but it is good lifting
>> practice, I prefer to see 1/2 Dacron used for the tie down.
>>
>> We use an I beam certified for lifting (NDT inspected and
>> recertified annually) and it straddles the hull thwart ships
>> at 90 degrees to fore and aft. The I beam is 13 feet wide
>> keeping sheer compression loading to a minimum. We use a 2
>> foot extension on the aft strap and 8 1/2 ton lift grade
>> shackles - the extension is a 3/4 Wire Lifting Strap 4'
>> long placed in a basket formation on the hook (making it
>> 2' long and the webbing strap shackled to the wire
>> strap.
>>
>> Do not let the strap touch the rudder post, keep it aft of
>> the horn timber
>>
>> You can resolve your keel problem however by placing
>> several 2 x 4 thwartships to the keel raising the boat
>> enough to allow strap placement under the keel for lift in
>> assuming you have adjustable screw jacks.
>>
>> We've lifted roughly 5000 boats over 33 years without
>> incident - touch wood ; )
>>
>> And we don't screw around with safety - use the proper
>> certified equipment - yer dead a long time
>>
>> Hope this is a help
>>
>> ATB
>>
>> John
>>
>> John Birch, President - LaSalle Park Marina Association
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From:
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>> To: "Alberg, Public List"
>> <public-list at alberg30.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:27 PM
>> Subject: [Public-List] More on lifting Alberg 30's
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > John,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I have a question for you and others. When I designed
>> my trailer I failed to plan for where the aft lifting strap
>> would fall when the boat was close to being set onto the
>> trailer. I designed the trailer so that when properly loaded
>> the aft foot or so of the keel wound be off the end of the
>> trailer center support, to allow the aft strap to be placed
>> under the aft part of the keel. The issue is that, according
>> to Murphy, I failed to realize that the aft straps interfere
>> with the aft trailer support jacks for the hull of the boat.
>> What I have done up to this point is to lift the boat under
>> the keel and set it on the trailer as far forward as
>> possible. At this point the keel is protruding about 2 feet
>> aft of the trailer, but is firmly on the trailer, which is
>> attached to the tow vehicle. The aft strap is then
>> disconnected and inserted thru the prop aperture and then
>> the boat is only lifted slightly to scoot it forward into
>> the bow stop on the trailer. This makes me a bit nervous
>> until the aft strap can be repositioned, but all has seemed
>> to work fine.
>> >
>> > I really don't like lifting the boat from anywhere
>> but under the keel aft and as far aft as possible near the
>> forward cutaway.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I never considered lifting the Alberg 30 by placing
>> the aft strap under the counter as far forward to the rudder
>> post as possible. I was really fearful that the boat would
>> tear apart.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I also just lash the fore and aft straps to each other
>> along the gunwale and provide a photograph for the crane
>> >
>> > opperator so they know where to position the straps
>> while she is in the water. You cleat the straps to the boat,
>> as you would a spring line to a dock piling? Is that
>> better/safer?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks for yours and others input on this lifting
>> proceedure. I would like to do what is safest and best for
>> the boat.
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John
>> Birch" < Sunstone at cogeco.ca >
>> > To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
>> < public-list at lists.alberg30.org >
>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:32:19 AM GMT
>> -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Lifting boat by rudder ~
>> solution
>> >
>> > I've been the Facilities Director of our Club for
>> 4 years ending 2 years ago
>> > and have lifted many an Alberg, my own included. I am
>> ticketed to direct and
>> > signal the crane.
>> >
>> > To avoid this type of error I strongly recommend doing
>> a Counter Lift when
>> > the boat is in the water, that is placing the aft
>> strap behind the rudder
>> > and lifting from just behind the horn timber.
>> >
>> > When Launching, where we can see the placement
>> clearly, we do the
>> > traditional Keel lift.
>> >
>> > The boat will take it just fine and there is much less
>> chance of error.
>> >
>> > Always check the rudder for being free when the straps
>> start to load up and
>> > stop and lower the boat immediately if either of the
>> following two things
>> > happen:
>> >
>> > 1. the tiller immediately moves to the side as the
>> straps tighten
>> >
>> > 2. the tiller feels like it has any drag on it
>> >
>> > Always have a person on shore looking under the
>> counter as she starts to
>> > rise to ensure the strap is behind the horn timber
>> >
>> > And don't forget to tie the straps together and
>> fore and aft to a strong
>> > point like the bow and stern cleats - leading the line
>> along the sheer and
>> > through the stanchions fairly without point loading
>> anything to avoid strap
>> > slipping
>> >
>> >
>> > ATB
>> >
>> > John
>> >
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