[Public-List] Purchase/Survey Advice

[Gordon Laco]

Hello Roger - 

I would agree; there is one sort of survey you want for your insurance
company...there is another you want for yourself.  The later is the type by
which you cut through the emotion of falling in love and try to make a
rational decision.  In the business we call them 'insurance surveys' and
'condition surveys'.  The former is pretty much a form that confirms what
the boat is, and what basic shape it is in.  The later is an in-depth study
of all the warts and scars.

Bear in mind that every A30 afloat today will have issues - a wise sailor
takes heed of developing problems indicated by a condition survey and puts
them in context of the age of the boat and the era in which it was built.

For example, there was an irresponsible surveyor local to me who blew the
sale of a perfectly good Corvette 31 (arch rival of the A30 when both were
in production) because of soft decks around the stern pulpit bases and
'non-ABYC wiring'.   Well any balsa cored deck 35 years old will have SOME
problems... And with regard to the wiring; when our boats were built ABYC
meant nothing other than Ashbridges Bay Yacht Club.  (great club by the way)
Unfortunatly for both buyers and seller, in both cases the folks who read
the survey could not put the issues indicated in context and were scared off
the boat.

Well there's something for the mix.

Gord




On 10/16/08 2:14 PM, "Roger L. Kingsland" <r.kingsland at ksba.com> wrote:

> I had my A30 surveyed by Michael Kaufman (410 263 8900) who I would
> recommend because not only did he seem to do a good survey but he has
> willingly answered many follow up questions.  One thing I am learning, the
> insurance companies seem to use the survey as a "punch list" of everything
> that must be done before they will issue a policy (Has anyone had similar
> experiences?).  So, it might be worthwhile to keep things that aren't safety
> related "off the list" or ask the surveyor to distinguish between safety and
> non safety items.
> 
> Roger 148
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> Chris - I purchased an Alberg 30 in the Annapolis area a couple months ago
> and had the survey done by Bob Turner.  He was very easy to work with, very
> knowledgeable about the Alberg 30 and very reasonably priced.
> His e-mail is kiva46k at aol.com and his phone number is 443-336-2980. I highly
> recommend him.
> 
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> Hello All
> 
> I've been lurking in the background for a while soaking up what I can about
> these fine boats. A few of you were kind enough to let me help (mostly
> watch, really) at the work day in June and ever since then I've been
> casually looking for an A30.
> 
> A boat turned up in the Annapolis area I plan to look at tomorrow. I think
> I'm pretty well versed in the boats, thanks to the website and this list,
> but would appreciate an opinion from an owner/expert before I get too
> serious. I also have a copy of a survey from 3 years ago, for what it's
> worth.
> 
> I'm really looking for some honest advice, you know how boats have a way of
> clouding sound judgment. Tell me I cant afford it, or it's better to move
> on, please! :)
> 
> Also, if I go to the next step, I will be looking for a survey. Ideally I'd
> like to find some one that knows A30's and isnt looking for vacation money.
> 
> Thanks for any advice
> 
> Chris
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