[Public-List] This may be a problem for long distance cruising

[Don Campbell]

I have looked at the website for the New Jersey State Police licensing 
and  their requirements are more strict than the ones for The Canadian 
Operator's card. in that they require a proctored examination and a 
course. It is possible to challenge the  operators card test here for 
the card without a course but if you took at least the Basic Boating 
course from the Canadian Power and Sail Squadron, you might be well 
served. If not that one, then the piloting or advanced piloting would 
cover you to get the tides and currents part of coastal navigation I am 
sure, since the USPS was included in course givers. We have also 
undertaken course changes this year in the CPSS, particularly with 
notation on courses plotted on charts  to standarize our PS courses with 
those of the US.
    Most transients would not normally be in New Jersey waters for 90 
days or more and  it is very clear (Answer 1 line 2) that  the question 
then arises as to whose water it is, whether state or federal, and  if 
one is off the coastline in sea water, it seems to me that should be US 
waters,  even if state police enforce the rules for  international or 
out of state transients. Even here, we are in US waters if we cross the 
great lakes, not NY or Michigan or Ohio waters. But if I travel the Erie 
Barge Canal or go onto the Finger Lakes, then I am in NY waters and 
would expect NY State laws to apply. I don't know what happens if you go 
into a harbour that is close to the lake, but really in a river,  like 
Toledo on Lake Erie, for state or federal jurisdiction. It is always 
easy to find grey areas but the stipulations from the state of NJ 
clearly state "NJ waters" in that first answer.
Don
# 528

Jim Davis wrote:
> This comes from postings on other boards, including Boat/US.  It in not that I object to boating education, my problem is with the implementation process.  If it is to be mandatory it should be to a common standard and recognized by all jurisdictions equally.   Just as a drivers license, or boat registration from one state is recognized by all states for transients.  
>
> Read the attached link.  New Jersey is trying lead the way and become either: transient unfriendly, super safe or looking for a new cash source.   There are other states with education requirements, but they only require transients to comply with their home state's law.  This most likely will just be another hoop to jump through and another piece of paper to have on board.  To see how they intend to play it, we will probably have to wait until the Snowbird fleet begins its northern migration.  "Out of State" boats are too easy to spot.  The stickers and hailing ports give them away.  Sort of like in the good old days when GI's stationed in Dixie were warned to get rid of their "Yankee Plates" as they were "Cop Magnets".
>
> My personal answer is that I'm going to take a Maryland course and put the card with the ship's papers.  It will probably become more important as other states will follow NJ's lead.
>
> New Jersey State Police site  Look at Q2,
>  http://www.njsp.org/maritime/faq.html
>
> Jim Davis
> S/V Isa Lei
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