[Public-List] Wire reel winch -handy billy

Tue Jun 30 07:49:39 PDT 2009

Roger - stop! how am I going to sell any winches?

On 6/30/09 10:29 AM, "Roger L. Kingsland" <r.kingsland at ksba.com> wrote:

> I feel salty just reading about it (and my dog keeps wanting to lick my
> arm).  Think also of the 10 or so pounds no longer adding a burden to the
> righting moment some six plus feet above the water line; more streamline to.
> I might mount a couple of those torpedo shaped speakers you see on water ski
> boats on the old winch bases.
> 
> Roger 148
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org
> [mailto:public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org] On Behalf Of Gordon Laco
> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:13 AM
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Wire reel winch -handy billy
> 
> I've been waiting for somebody to ask!
> 
> If you don't want to use a winch, what you do is make yourself a small 3:1
> or 4:1 tackle - the boom vang will do.  You haul up the main until it is up
> as far as hand tension will take it; then you take your tackle, which has
> hooks on the bales of the blocks and put one hook on a ring on the mast
> (bale for the vang will do) and put the other hook on a ring that you have
> cleverly worked into the halyard about three feet or so up the mast.
> 
> You pull on the tackle, that tensions the halyard.  Once the halyard is
> cleated off, you remove the handy billy and either stow it or turn it into a
> vang again.
> 
> Presto - no winch required; and how salty you will feel!
> 
> Gord #426 SURPRISE (now I am waiting to see if my halyard winch sales
> plummet...)
> 
> 
> On 6/30/09 9:56 AM, "dan walker" <dsailormon at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> ok gord, educate me again, what's a handy billy/ dan
>> 
>> --- On Tue, 6/30/09, John Birch <Sunstone at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> 
>>> From: John Birch <Sunstone at cogeco.ca>
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Wire reel winch - information needed
>>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>> Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 9:28 AM The Technical Committee Report
>>> in "The Desirable & Undesirable Characteristics of Offshore Yachts"
>>> published post the Fastnet Disaster
>>> (1979) to wide acclaim concurs with my post pasted below, as does
>>> Gord Laco
>>> 
>>> -------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> My advice, take it off, polish it and put it over the fireplace as a
>>> mantle piece
>>> 
>>> Had one on Sunstone, brake slipped and broke my wife's glasses when
>>> reefing.
>>> Lucky for her, it could have been much more serious. I have heard of
>>> jaws, wrists etc broken when the clutch fails and the winch handle
>>> free spins.
>>> 
>>> Replace it with a regular winch, much safer.
>>> 
>>> Best
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> -----------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <mahseer at kos.net>
>>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:22 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Wire reel winch - information needed
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have 3 wire reel winches on Mahseer. Each one is different on how
>>> the wire is attached, the one I use for my main outhaul has two grub
>>> screws visable on top of the winch, the second one used for my main
>>> halyard has the screws below the top plate.  This is accessed by
>>> removing the circular spring in the centre and removing the plate. 
>>> The locking mechanism is a clamp arround the base of the winch, do
>>> not oil or grease this part or it will slip.  The third winch that I
>>> use for my headsail furling has the screws accesable from the top.  I
>>> have had these since I bought the boat and do not intend to replace
>>> them.  they make the cockpit tidy with no lines to store when used. 
>>> As to the safty of these my winches have not slipped nor do I keep a
>>> winch handle in the top unless I intend to use it.
>>>  When reefing I keep my hand on the winch at all times thus
>>> eliminating any chance of a runaway handle.
>>> 
>>>   The arguments put forward about broken arms etc is like saying you
>>> should not have a gas engine or propane on board because it might
>>> explode, yes this could happen if you do not follow basic safety
>>> precausions.
>>> 
>>> john Boor
>>> MAHSEER #380
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> For the time being, I use the original type of wire
>>> reel winch for my
>>>> mainsail halyard.
>>>> 
>>>> I have read the threads this site which deal with
>>> safety concerns.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Might anyone have a manual on this winch?
>>>> 
>>>> In particular, I am interested in:
>>>> 
>>>> 1) how the wire is attached to the drum (So I can
>>> remove it briefly and
>>>> re-attach, for a reason I would rather not share!)
>>>> 
>>>> 2) how to service/lube it (So I can care for it.)
>>>> 
>>>> 3) how the clutch mechanism works (So I have some kind
>>> og mental picture)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance for any assistance.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> David Tessier
>>>> 
>>>> A30#319, Trois Bouleaux, Lion's Head, Georgian Bay
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> P.s.: Had an enjoyable short cruise last week - 16
>>> hours with little to no
>>>> wind sailing through one night up towards Lonely
>>> Island and followed by
>>>> two days lively sail for the return anchoring at Club
>>> Island and Wingfield
>>>> Basin on the return trip to Lion's Head.
>>>> 
>>>> P.p.s.: Sure made a mistake bringing along my stay
>>> sail instead of my
>>>> large drifter.
>>>> 
>>>> 
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