[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 2042, Issue 1
William Winslow
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Tue Apr 5 12:16:17 PDT 2011
Nelson,
There has been a running debate on the Alberg30 Web site on anchoring. What do you think of the idea of going downwind as described below?
On Apr 5, 2011, at 3:08 PM, public-list-request at lists.alberg30.org wrote:
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> 1. Re: Reversing the A-30 (Michael Grosh)
> 2. Re: Reversing the A-30 (George Dinwiddie)
> 3. Re: Reversing the A-30 (Meinhold, Michael J.)
> 4. Re: Encapsulated iron keel (George Dinwiddie)
> 5. Re: Reversing the A-30 (jon)
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> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 07:23:15 -0400
> From: Michael Grosh <dickdurk at gmail.com>
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> An anchoring alternative...pick your spot, head to it travelling downwind at
> 1-1 1/2 knots, dump anchor, chain, and rode over(I use 3 fathoms of chain)
> and have the rode tied off. When the bow dips and the boat swings radically,
> anchor is set, and I sleep well.
> Perhaps a technique not for the faint of heart, but it sure eliminates a lot
> of screwing around.
> Keep your feet clear of lines.
>
> MichaelGrosh
> #220
> On Apr 4, 2011 3:41 PM, "Meinhold, Michael J." <MICHAEL.J.MEINHOLD at saic.com>
> wrote:
>> When I sailed with my Dad on the Great South Bay of Long Island, NY, we
>> would sail up to an anchorage, and I would go forward, drop the hook and
>> cleat the rode, then hold the clew of the jib as far our and forward as
>> I could. Even if you couldn't get the boat moving straight back, with
>> any breeze, you would get enough inertia to dig the anchor in when you
>> snubbed up the rode. We usually did this in the middle of the Bay to go
>> fishing or clamming.
>>
>> In our sometimes crowded anchorages on the Chesapeake, if I have room I
>> will pay out 10:1 chain and rode, and drift back, then set the anchor
>> with the engine. Many of these anchorages are well protected, and you
>> can wait a long time for enough drift to set an anchor. Then I shorten
>> up to a little less than 7:1.
>>
>> Mike
>> Rinn Duin #272
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org
>> [mailto:public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org] On Behalf Of Kris Coward
>> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 3:18 PM
>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Reversing the A-30
>>
>>
>> Does that work on the Chesapeake? Only time I've made it down, it was
>> blowing like stink. Now up on the Great Lakes... :)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kris
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 03:08:13PM -0400, Mike Lehman wrote:
>>> "The question to ask in regard to reversing an Alberg 30 is: how to do
>> so
>>> under sail? :) "
>>>
>>> That is easy to answer...just go out and race the boat :)
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: John Riley
>>> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 12:02 PM
>>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Reversing the A-30
>>>
>>> Just to be clear, I don't see anything wrong with backing on anchor to
>>> TEST the set, just not the setting itself. I, too, have seen folks
>> rev
>>> up in reverse before the anchor has dug in, then wonder why they
>> pulled
>>> the anchor all over the anchorage. Usually, in my experience at
>> least,
>>> these have been power boaters who lack the patience to let the boat
>>> drift onto the hook, let it set, then wait (10 minutes or an hour,
>>> whatever), to back down and test for holding in a simulated "building
>> wind."
>>>
>>> As I said, my experience anchoring under sail and not using the engine
>>> at all (or indeed, not even having a running engine <wink>) forces me
>> to
>>> doubt that backing down is necessary at all. Peace of mind as a
>>> psychological crutch, perhaps, but not as one would say really NEEDED.
>>>
>>> And I don't care what Don Jordan says, I would NEVER anchor stern-to,
>>> period. Light wind or storm, never, at least given just about any
>> other
>>> choice. I'm not even a fan of bow-and-stern anchoring, but prefer,
>> when
>>> two hooks are needed, to anchor two off the bow either at about a 60
>>> degree angle or in a Bahamiam Moor. My boat stayed thus anchored on
>> the
>>> Sampit River for 18 months (on a 32 lb Lewmar Claw and a 22 lb
>> Danforth).
>>>
>>> Stirring the pot even further...
>>>
>>> The question to ask in regard to reversing an Alberg 30 is: how to do
>> so
>>> under sail? :)
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> John S. Riley
>>> S/V Gaelic Sea
>>> 1972 Alberg 30 #521
>>>
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>> --
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 08:58:40 -0400
> From: George Dinwiddie <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>
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> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Reversing the A-30
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> On 4/5/11 7:23 AM, Michael Grosh wrote:
>> An anchoring alternative...pick your spot, head to it travelling downwind at
>> 1-1 1/2 knots, dump anchor, chain, and rode over(I use 3 fathoms of chain)
>> and have the rode tied off. When the bow dips and the boat swings radically,
>> anchor is set, and I sleep well.
>> Perhaps a technique not for the faint of heart, but it sure eliminates a lot
>> of screwing around.
>> Keep your feet clear of lines.
>
> It's also an easy technique for single-handing. I bring the anchor back
> to the stern, outside of all the rigging. Then I flake out an
> appropriate amount of rode on the deck and cleat it off on the bow.
>
> When going slowly, it's not very dramatic. I anchored this way under
> sail, once, with a crew of a half-dozen ~10 year olds. That was fairly
> dramatic, as we were probably still doing 2+ knots. Put the rail to the
> water and came about like the Black Pearl in Pirates of the Caribbean.
>
> - George
>
> --
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> When I remember bygone days George Dinwiddie
> I think how evening follows morn; gdinwiddie at alberg30.org
> So many I loved were not yet dead, http://www.Alberg30.org
> So many I love were not yet born. also see:
> 'The Middle' by Ogden Nash http://idiacomputing.com
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 09:20:37 -0400
> From: "Meinhold, Michael J." <MICHAEL.J.MEINHOLD at saic.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Reversing the A-30
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> I think you need a sash and sword to go with your beard George. I want
> to see that maneuver on the Fall Cruise this year...
>
> Mike
> Rinn Duin #272
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org
> [mailto:public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org] On Behalf Of George
> Dinwiddie
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:59 AM
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Reversing the A-30
>
> On 4/5/11 7:23 AM, Michael Grosh wrote:
>> An anchoring alternative...pick your spot, head to it travelling
> downwind at
>> 1-1 1/2 knots, dump anchor, chain, and rode over(I use 3 fathoms of
> chain)
>> and have the rode tied off. When the bow dips and the boat swings
> radically,
>> anchor is set, and I sleep well.
>> Perhaps a technique not for the faint of heart, but it sure eliminates
> a lot
>> of screwing around.
>> Keep your feet clear of lines.
>
> It's also an easy technique for single-handing. I bring the anchor back
>
> to the stern, outside of all the rigging. Then I flake out an
> appropriate amount of rode on the deck and cleat it off on the bow.
>
> When going slowly, it's not very dramatic. I anchored this way under
> sail, once, with a crew of a half-dozen ~10 year olds. That was fairly
> dramatic, as we were probably still doing 2+ knots. Put the rail to the
>
> water and came about like the Black Pearl in Pirates of the Caribbean.
>
> - George
>
> --
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> When I remember bygone days George Dinwiddie
> I think how evening follows morn; gdinwiddie at alberg30.org
> So many I loved were not yet dead, http://www.Alberg30.org
> So many I love were not yet born. also see:
> 'The Middle' by Ogden Nash http://idiacomputing.com
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> Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 10:21:26 -0400
> From: George Dinwiddie <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Encapsulated iron keel
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> Joseph,
>
> On 4/4/11 10:45 PM, Joseph Balderson wrote:
>> i did the same for 115 FREYA. Tore out the floor timbers and thoroughly
>> cleaned and sanded (24grit) of the inside of the hull including the top of
>> the keel. we poured loose resin down around the edges of the keel then
>> glassed from the water tank to stern post. across the top of the ballast
>> keel and up the hull 24" on both sides of course. Epoxy and 17oz DBM. It
>> took 4 gal. of resin and 25 yds of cloth.
>> Here are photos. It really seemed to knit her together nicely. Has any one
>> put a water tank down beneath the cabin sole?
>
> For safety, the list strips off binary files. If you want to email the
> photos directly to me, I'll place them on the website.
>
> - George
>
> --
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> When I remember bygone days George Dinwiddie
> I think how evening follows morn; gdinwiddie at alberg30.org
> So many I loved were not yet dead, http://www.Alberg30.org
> So many I love were not yet born. also see:
> 'The Middle' by Ogden Nash http://idiacomputing.com
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> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 11:04:55 -0700
> From: "jon" <whittle at shaw.ca>
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Reversing the A-30
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> Thankyou George,
> We have been anchoring almost exclusively by what I
> believe is called "the running moor".( No jokes, please!). Under sail or
> power works just fine. We let the anchor hang just into the water on the
> approach and let het go on the spot. Just for precaution I always am in
> neutral gear at this point, just let the boat carry us forward, letting the
> boat control the feed rate of the rode. When enough rode is out, just tie
> her off and she will round up sharpish with a good set. As a precaution, we
> always are alert to the depth and distance to shore "just in case".
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Dinwiddie" <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>
> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 5:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Reversing the A-30
>
>
>> On 4/5/11 7:23 AM, Michael Grosh wrote:
>>> An anchoring alternative...pick your spot, head to it travelling downwind
>>> at
>>> 1-1 1/2 knots, dump anchor, chain, and rode over(I use 3 fathoms of
>>> chain)
>>> and have the rode tied off. When the bow dips and the boat swings
>>> radically,
>>> anchor is set, and I sleep well.
>>> Perhaps a technique not for the faint of heart, but it sure eliminates a
>>> lot
>>> of screwing around.
>>> Keep your feet clear of lines.
>>
>> It's also an easy technique for single-handing. I bring the anchor back
>> to the stern, outside of all the rigging. Then I flake out an appropriate
>> amount of rode on the deck and cleat it off on the bow.
>>
>> When going slowly, it's not very dramatic. I anchored this way under
>> sail, once, with a crew of a half-dozen ~10 year olds. That was fairly
>> dramatic, as we were probably still doing 2+ knots. Put the rail to the
>> water and came about like the Black Pearl in Pirates of the Caribbean.
>>
>> - George
>>
>> --
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> When I remember bygone days George Dinwiddie
>> I think how evening follows morn; gdinwiddie at alberg30.org
>> So many I loved were not yet dead, http://www.Alberg30.org
>> So many I love were not yet born. also see:
>> 'The Middle' by Ogden Nash http://idiacomputing.com
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
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