[Public-List] Preparation for Summer 2011

Sat Jan 15 06:34:53 PST 2011

Thanks Richard.  I checked out this link
http://www.jordanseriesdrogue.com/pdf/JordanSeriesDrogue.pdf and found some
good information including some convincing data supporting mooring from the
stern rather than the bow.
Roger 148

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I would say they can be a little difficult. You must use a winch and be
careful with the cones..A small price to pay for the safety..
  I have thought about adding a line to the weight that sits on the end so I
could winch it in collapsing the cones as it comes in but I do not know if
this would affect performance of the drogue so I hesitate to try it..
 After the storm we just take our time to retrieve it and then put the sails
back up and go
Richard

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Jonathan Budington
<jon at globalprinting.com>wrote:

> I've heard they can be difficult to retrieve.  Was this the case for
> you?
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org] On Behalf Of Richard
> Mair
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 4:45 PM
> To: r.kingsland at ksba.com; Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Preparation for Summer 2011
>
> We really looked into this..Not just any drogue but we have a Jordan
> series
> Drogue..These are made specific to the length of the boat..We made ours
> from
> a sailrite kit..This Drogue keeps a steady pressure on the boat and
> keeps it
> stern to the waves..Steady pressure is a lot less stress on the boat
> than
> anything that is banging on the mounting point..It mounts on two
> stainless
> steel brackets on the stern with a bridle so it stays centered..
>  A storm anchor at the bow would mean sliding down waves with pressure
> on
> the rudder from the wrong direction..
>  With our drogue I can tell you that in winds that were around 45
> gusting
> 50 and waves that were about 16 feet we were moving at about 2 kts on
> bare
> poles..The whole night felt like a bad anchorage..
>  The Jordan series Drogue has the best record for boats surviving bad
> conditions than any thing else(at least when we did the research) and
> after
> using it we wont leave home without it...
>  A lot of storm tactics fail because the mounting point of the device
> gets
> ripped off the deck as this is just not strong enough..
>  Our mounts are 1/4 inch thick stainless each one bolted through the
> hull
> with 6 3/8 bolts.
>  If you want I think I have pictures that show the mounting bracket.
> I think if you google series drogues it will come up with a lot of
> info..
> Richard
>
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Roger L. Kingsland
> <r.kingsland at ksba.com>wrote:
>
> > Richard,  it's great to hear from someone who has been there.  I like
> your
> > storm tactic of hunkering down and letting it pass.  Any thoughts on
> using
> > a
> > storm anchor (off the bow) versus a drogue (off the stern)?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > [mailto:public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org] On Behalf Of Richard
> Mair
> > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 8:15 PM
> > To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Preparation for Summer 2011
> >
> > ON the Main  We bought ours from Shoreline Sails in Toronto. It is a
> Rolly
> > Tasker sail and we are able to put in 2 reefs without leaving the
> > cockpit.,and we still have the sliding boom.This can be done with any
> main
> > by the way the lower slides are attached.I recommend 3 reef points as
> we
> > only got 2 and wish we had 3.It would be a lot better than having to
> set
> > the
> > try sail.
> >
> > The radar we have a stand alone unit from (I forget the brand but can
> look
> > when we are next at the boat)..It works great with the antenna mounted
> on a
> > pole at the stern and it does not have to be in the center.Very useful
> on
> > the east coast all the way down to NC..
> >
> > We use a 150 head sail also offshore weight on furling. It worked well
> for
> > us along with a drifter for when it is really light..
> >
> > We have a storm jib that we had intended to attach to a heavily
> reinforced
> > pad eye on the foredeck about half way between the bow and cabin just
> > flying
> > with Hilliard tension..We have never used it..all our bad weather has
> been
> > offshore and we take down all sails and deploy a Jordan series Drogue
> and
> > wait for it to pass..
> >
> > This is the way we went across to the Azores,Canaries,and back via the
> west
> > indies.I think about 12000 nm.
> >  609 Into The Blue.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 8:18 PM, <elyse.pastor at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Dear Friends,
> > >
> > > Elyse and I just returned from our 2-day visit of the Toronto Boat
> Show -
> > > the largest in Canada.
> > > How lucky we were to meet with Gordon Laco representing his products
> for
> > > the
> > > 9-day show. "Gordon - it was great seeing and chatting with you
> again -
> > > thanks!!!"
> > >
> > > The preparation of our "LADY HERON" was our main objective visiting
> the
> > > show. Our plan is to make her ready for the July 2011 voyage from
> > Montreal
> > > to St-Pierre et Miquelon (near Newfoundland) and back - an estimated
> > total
> > > of about 1500nm.
> > >
> > > It is organized as a small flotilla and considered to be the trial
> of
> > > the 2012 Atlantic crossing - something we will talk to you early
> next
> > year.
> > >
> > > The reason of our writing today - we want your help and advise
> regarding
> > > the sails etc..
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  The first problem we have with
> > > the present set-up:
> > >
> > > 1.) The adaptation of the 1st and 2nd reef is too
> > > complicated and requires too many manual adjustments. The reason to
> this
> > > problem
> > > is - the boom is on a sliding track. When the main sail is in 100% -
> no
> > > problem. If we want to take the 1st reef, it is required to remove
> > > one slide from the "STRONG Sail Track and Slide System" in order to
> bring
> > > the reefing location to the
> > > appropriate height. For the second reef, it is required to remove
> another
> > > slide
> > > including the slide with the first batten (in total 3 slides). All
> this
> > is
> > > quite difficult considering the weather is getting worse for the 1st
> > > and 2nd reefing.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Our idea is as follows:
> > >
> > > 1.) Remove the sliding track of the boom and install the boom fix to
> the
> > > mast at its lowest position (how shall we do that and install/fix
> the
> > boom
> > > to the mast???).
> > >
> > > 2.) Extend the "STRONG Sail Track and Slide System" of the main sail
> all
> > > the way down to the new
> > > position of the boom (about 18" long).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > We expect that this will allow us to set the 1st and 2nd
> > > reef without touching any of the slides.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Our second problem:
> > >
> > > 1.) We presently have only our main sail and a 120 Jib. The main
> sale
> > > needs to be replaced while the 120 is almost new.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Our idea is as follows:
> > >
> > > 1.) To get the new main sale with 2 reefs (or 3???)
> > >
> > > 2.) To get a 160 for soft wind situations?!
> > >
> > > 3.) To get a 70 or 80 storm jib?!
> > >
> > > 4.) Install/construct an inner forestay to allow the placement of
> the
> > > storm jib (and how to do it???).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Our third problem:
> > >
> > > The St-Lawrence
> > >  River is known for its
> > > fog and therefore requires a radar for safe navigation. We have
> received
> > > contradictory information as to where the radar should be installed
> (the
> > > mast
> > > or the backstay). Because we have the Standard Horizon 180i GPS, the
> only
> > > compatible radar manufacturer would be "SI-TEX" (we consider Model
> > MDS-8).
> > >
> > > Another solution would be the stand-alone unit by FURUNO (Radar
> Model
> > 1623
> > > includes its own display unit).
> > >
> > > The last unit (and in my opinion the most precise radar) would be
> the
> > > LOWRANCE which has the most precise radar system available. However,
> if
> > we
> > > would purchase this radar, we also would have to purchase another
> GPS
> > > (Approximately $1,000 more then any of the other systems).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Considering this, we would like to have some advice from anybody who
> can
> > > help us or owners who have done this. We certainly look forward to
> all
> > the
> > > information and to better ideas.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance
> > >
> > > Bruno & Elyse
> > >
> > > Lady Heron 297
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