[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 2188, Issue 2

Fri Oct 14 18:37:17 PDT 2011

Gordon,

You can get replacement lamp sockets for you original bronze running lights from: J.M. Reineck & Son, 781 925-3312, jmrandson at aol.com. The new sockets are stainless steel and very inexpensive roughly $12.00.

If you're not handy, you can send them the fixtures, and they will also refurbish them for you.

The sockets are pressed into the casting. Remove the fixture from the boat, and the socket can be tapped-out of the casting quite easily.

Matt
Friendship 295

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Early model running light question (Mike Lehman)
   2. Re: Early model running light question (Gordon Laco)
   3. folkboat start (dan walker)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 08:56:38 -0400
From: Mike Lehman <sail_505 at hotmail.com>
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Go Denmark!

-----Original Message-----
From: Gordon Laco
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 8:35 AM
To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
Subject: Re: [Public-List] Early model running light question

Good morning -

Be careful with the ref I sent... I pasted those over from another member's
email sent to me yesterday... but I reckon now those are not the correct
numbers for your lights.  Rather they are for modern Perko style lights
using 'festoon' bulbs.  For old style you need bayonet base bulbs.  They are
on the Rekord site as well, but those aren't the ones in yesterday's
suggestion.

I slowed down on the Folkboat after correspondence came from the club
hosting the worlds.  In the spring they told me that their invitation to
compete had to be withdrawn as a bylaw had been passed limiting competing
yachts to those from active fleets.  They defined 'active' as several yachts
racing consistently for two seasons.  That hasn't happened in Canada for
nearly forty years.   They went on to tell me that the fur was flying on
their committee over the damper the rule put on developing competition but
at any rate that killed my bid to represent Canada at the worlds last month,
as well as bids by a few other teams.   As things turned out the Danes won.

I'm looking to have TOUCH WOOD done in the spring.  Tomorrow I'm going to be
up to my elbows pressing in her new floors over the new keel bolts.  It's
pouring rain so I won't be able to work on the mast, but that is now whole
again with both breaks spliced.

Onwards -

Gord #426 SURPRISE

On 13/10/11 11:20 PM, "crufone at comcast.net" <crufone at comcast.net> wrote:

>

Gord ,

Thanks for the reference and the off-list part numbers.  I went to
> the Perko Web site last night and could not even locate any replacement
> LED
> lamps. I aim to call a local Perko Sales Rep to see if they have anything
> available. I'll give Rekord Marine a try. How's the Folkboat coming?  Did
> you
> make it to the reunion out in San Diego this Fall?

Michael

-----
> Original Message -----

From: "Gordon Laco " <mainstay@ csolve .net>
To: "
> Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
Sent:
> Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:25:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Public-List] Early model
> running light question

Hi there.

Check out the Rekord Marine web site.
>  You'll see the items I refer to in the LED section where there is a
> conversion

Write to me off list and I can be more specific

G

On Oct
> 12, 2011, at 11:27 PM, crufone @comcast.net wrote:

>
>
> Hi Gord ,
>
> I
> have not been able to find a LED light with a bayonet type socket which
> will
> still fit into the original glass lens in the original bronze housing. If
> you
> have a source for these in a small size compact enough to fit into the
> original lens I would like to know who it is. My nav lights are on the
> coach
> side forward of the mast step. Thank you.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> -----
> Original Message -----
>
>
> From: "Gordon Laco " <mainstay@ csolve .net>
>
> To: " Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 9:16:43 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Early model running light question
>
> These
> days one may purchase an LED replacement for nearly any incandescent bulb.
> The Perko bayonet type in old running lights should be no problem.
>
> Gord
> 426 Surprise
>
> On Oct 10, 2011, at 8:59 AM, crufone @comcast.net wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>> Mike G,
>>
>> I am interested in how you fitted LED lamps into
> the original light fixtures.  What was your procedure and where there any
> tricks involved? What brand LED's did you install?  Thank you.
>>
>> Michael
> #133
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From:
> "Michael Grosh " < dickdurk @ gmail .com>
>> To: " Alberg 30 Public List --
> open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 9,
> 2011 8:58:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Early model running light
> question
>>
>> The contact assembly should just push out-basically with an
> ice pick from in
>> the cabin. New ones are available, but the heavy chrome
> over brass fitting
>> is not. They are Perko . The replacements I have seen
> are cheap looking
>> stamped SS.
>> I was interested in lower electrical
> draw, and LED bulbs would not fit into
>> the space available, hence the
> hardwired pigtail option.
>> I guess you should also be aware the side
> mounted lights do not comply with
>> visibility requirements, especially when
> power sailing. The relatively
>> higher bow, and the foresail, blocks
> visibility.
>>
>> MichaelGrosh
>> #220
>> On Oct 9, 2011 6:04 PM, "Amy
> & David Swanson" < zira @ bellsouth .net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike -
>>>
>
>>> The glass comes out fine.  I just can't get the actual contact part out.
>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> David Swanson
>>> Strayaway Child
>>> Alberg 30
> #229
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Grosh " < dickdurk @
> gmail .com>
>>> To: " Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.**
>>> org <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>>
>>>
> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 6:01 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Early
> model running light question
>>>
>>>
>>>  On my '67 boat, the colored lens
> is glass. It was held in place by
>>>> pressure
>>>> and had a foamy rubber
> sort of gasket. As long as a PO didn't get
>>>> creative,
>>>> the glass
> should just pop out.
>>>> On Checkmate, I deleted the bulb and fixture with
> LED. I soldered pigtails
>>>> directly to the 'bulb' contacts, then sealed in
> the whole mess (inside the
>>>> colored glass) with silicone. Works great-be
> aware LEDs are polarity
>>>> sensitive, though.
>>>>
>>>> MichaelGrosh
>
>>>> #220
>>>> On Oct 9, 2011 4:23 PM, "Amy & David Swanson" < zira @
> bellsouth .net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  On my 1967 model boat, I am having
> problems with the st
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 09:06:23 -0400
From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
        <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
Subject: Re: [Public-List] Early model running light question
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Here's a link to video shot of one of the starts... The Dutch were over
early but the rest of the herd thundered over in fine style.  Oh I wish we'd
been there fighting it out in F KC 16... Who knows, we might have been
clobbered..but on the other hand....

http://picasaweb.google.com/liisberg1/FolkboatsSeptember2011?authkey=Gv1sRgC
P7-4eeE2ZqmywE#5656480951301630722

Gord #426 Surprise

On 14/10/11 8:56 AM, "Mike Lehman" <sail_505 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Go Denmark!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gordon Laco
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 8:35 AM
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Early model running light question
>
> Good morning -
>
> Be careful with the ref I sent... I pasted those over from another member's
> email sent to me yesterday... but I reckon now those are not the correct
> numbers for your lights.  Rather they are for modern Perko style lights
> using 'festoon' bulbs.  For old style you need bayonet base bulbs.  They are
> on the Rekord site as well, but those aren't the ones in yesterday's
> suggestion.
>
> I slowed down on the Folkboat after correspondence came from the club
> hosting the worlds.  In the spring they told me that their invitation to
> compete had to be withdrawn as a bylaw had been passed limiting competing
> yachts to those from active fleets.  They defined 'active' as several yachts
> racing consistently for two seasons.  That hasn't happened in Canada for
> nearly forty years.   They went on to tell me that the fur was flying on
> their committee over the damper the rule put on developing competition but
> at any rate that killed my bid to represent Canada at the worlds last month,
> as well as bids by a few other teams.   As things turned out the Danes won.
>
> I'm looking to have TOUCH WOOD done in the spring.  Tomorrow I'm going to be
> up to my elbows pressing in her new floors over the new keel bolts.  It's
> pouring rain so I won't be able to work on the mast, but that is now whole
> again with both breaks spliced.
>
> Onwards -
>
> Gord #426 SURPRISE
>
>
> On 13/10/11 11:20 PM, "crufone at comcast.net" <crufone at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>
> Gord ,
>
> Thanks for the reference and the off-list part numbers.  I went to
>> the Perko Web site last night and could not even locate any replacement
>> LED
>> lamps. I aim to call a local Perko Sales Rep to see if they have anything
>> available. I'll give Rekord Marine a try. How's the Folkboat coming?  Did
>> you
>> make it to the reunion out in San Diego this Fall?
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> -----
>> Original Message -----
>
>
>
>
> From: "Gordon Laco " <mainstay@ csolve .net>
> To: "
>> Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Sent:
>> Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:25:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Early model
>> running light question
>
> Hi there.
>
> Check out the Rekord Marine web site.
>>  You'll see the items I refer to in the LED section where there is a
>> conversion
>
> Write to me off list and I can be more specific
>
> G
>
> On Oct
>> 12, 2011, at 11:27 PM, crufone @comcast.net wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi Gord ,
>>
>> I
>> have not been able to find a LED light with a bayonet type socket which
>> will
>> still fit into the original glass lens in the original bronze housing. If
>> you
>> have a source for these in a small size compact enough to fit into the
>> original lens I would like to know who it is. My nav lights are on the
>> coach
>> side forward of the mast step. Thank you.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Original Message -----
>>
>>
>> From: "Gordon Laco " <mainstay@ csolve .net>
>>
>> To: " Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 9:16:43 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Early model running light question
>>
>> These
>> days one may purchase an LED replacement for nearly any incandescent bulb.
>> The Perko bayonet type in old running lights should be no problem.
>>
>> Gord
>> 426 Surprise
>>
>> On Oct 10, 2011, at 8:59 AM, crufone @comcast.net wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike G,
>>>
>>> I am interested in how you fitted LED lamps into
>> the original light fixtures.  What was your procedure and where there any
>> tricks involved? What brand LED's did you install?  Thank you.
>>>
>>> Michael
>> #133
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From:
>> "Michael Grosh " < dickdurk @ gmail .com>
>>> To: " Alberg 30 Public List --
>> open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 9,
>> 2011 8:58:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Early model running light
>> question
>>>
>>> The contact assembly should just push out-basically with an
>> ice pick from in
>>> the cabin. New ones are available, but the heavy chrome
>> over brass fitting
>>> is not. They are Perko . The replacements I have seen
>> are cheap looking
>>> stamped SS.
>>> I was interested in lower electrical
>> draw, and LED bulbs would not fit into
>>> the space available, hence the
>> hardwired pigtail option.
>>> I guess you should also be aware the side
>> mounted lights do not comply with
>>> visibility requirements, especially when
>> power sailing. The relatively
>>> higher bow, and the foresail, blocks
>> visibility.
>>>
>>> MichaelGrosh
>>> #220
>>> On Oct 9, 2011 6:04 PM, "Amy
>> & David Swanson" < zira @ bellsouth .net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mike -
>>>>
>>
>>>> The glass comes out fine.  I just can't get the actual contact part out.
>>
>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> David Swanson
>>>> Strayaway Child
>>>> Alberg 30
>> #229
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Grosh " < dickdurk @
>> gmail .com>
>>>> To: " Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.**
>>>> org <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>>
>>>>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 6:01 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Early
>> model running light question
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On my '67 boat, the colored lens
>> is glass. It was held in place by
>>>>> pressure
>>>>> and had a foamy rubber
>> sort of gasket. As long as a PO didn't get
>>>>> creative,
>>>>> the glass
>> should just pop out.
>>>>> On Checkmate, I deleted the bulb and fixture with
>> LED. I soldered pigtails
>>>>> directly to the 'bulb' contacts, then sealed in
>> the whole mess (inside the
>>>>> colored glass) with silicone. Works great-be
>> aware LEDs are polarity
>>>>> sensitive, though.
>>>>>
>>>>> MichaelGrosh
>>
>>>>> #220
>>>>> On Oct 9, 2011 4:23 PM, "Amy & David Swanson" < zira @
>> bellsouth .net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  On my 1967 model boat, I am having
>> problems with the st
>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:05:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: dan walker <dsailormon at yahoo.com>
To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
        <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
Subject: [Public-List] folkboat start
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741 over early hreard multiple times . then hear the lady "there not doing it?" classic

________________________________
From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Public-List] Early model running light question

Here's a link to video shot of one of the starts... The Dutch were over
early but the rest of the herd thundered over in fine style.? Oh I wish we'd
been there fighting it out in F KC 16... Who knows, we might have been
clobbered..but on the other hand....

?
http://picasaweb.google.com/liisberg1/FolkboatsSeptember2011?authkey=Gv1sRgC
P7-4eeE2ZqmywE#5656480951301630722

Gord #426 Surprise

On 14/10/11 8:56 AM, "Mike Lehman" <sail_505 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Go Denmark!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gordon Laco
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 8:35 AM
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Early model running light question
>
> Good morning -
>
> Be careful with the ref I sent... I pasted those over from another member's
> email sent to me yesterday... but I reckon now those are not the correct
> numbers for your lights.? Rather they are for modern Perko style lights
> using 'festoon' bulbs.? For old style you need bayonet base bulbs.? They are
> on the Rekord site as well, but those aren't the ones in yesterday's
> suggestion.
>
> I slowed down on the Folkboat after correspondence came from the club
> hosting the worlds.? In the spring they told me that their invitation to
> compete had to be withdrawn as a bylaw had been passed limiting competing
> yachts to those from active fleets.? They defined 'active' as several yachts
> racing consistently for two seasons.? That hasn't happened in Canada for
> nearly forty years.?  They went on to tell me that the fur was flying on
> their committee over the damper the rule put on developing competition but
> at any rate that killed my bid to represent Canada at the worlds last month,
> as well as bids by a few other teams.?  As things turned out the Danes won.
>
> I'm looking to have TOUCH WOOD done in the spring.? Tomorrow I'm going to be
> up to my elbows pressing in her new floors over the new keel bolts.? It's
> pouring rain so I won't be able to work on the mast, but that is now whole
> again with both breaks spliced.
>
> Onwards -
>
> Gord #426 SURPRISE
>
>
> On 13/10/11 11:20 PM, "crufone at comcast.net" <crufone at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>
> Gord ,
>
> Thanks for the reference and the off-list part numbers.? I went to
>> the Perko Web site last night and could not even locate any replacement
>> LED
>> lamps. I aim to call a local Perko Sales Rep to see if they have anything
>> available. I'll give Rekord Marine a try. How's the Folkboat coming?? Did
>> you
>> make it to the reunion out in San Diego this Fall?
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> -----
>> Original Message -----
>
>
>
>
> From: "Gordon Laco " <mainstay@ csolve .net>
> To: "
>> Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Sent:
>> Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:25:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Early model
>> running light question
>
> Hi there.
>
> Check out the Rekord Marine web site.
>>? You'll see the items I refer to in the LED section where there is a
>> conversion
>
> Write to me off list and I can be more specific
>
> G
>
> On Oct
>> 12, 2011, at 11:27 PM, crufone @comcast.net wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi Gord ,
>>
>> I
>> have not been able to find a LED light with a bayonet type socket which
>> will
>> still fit into the original glass lens in the original bronze housing. If
>> you
>> have a source for these in a small size compact enough to fit into the
>> original lens I would like to know who it is. My nav lights are on the
>> coach
>> side forward of the mast step. Thank you.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Original Message -----
>>
>>
>> From: "Gordon Laco " <mainstay@ csolve .net>
>>
>> To: " Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 9:16:43 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Early model running light question
>>
>> These
>> days one may purchase an LED replacement for nearly any incandescent bulb.
>> The Perko bayonet type in old running lights should be no problem.
>>
>> Gord
>> 426 Surprise
>>
>> On Oct 10, 2011, at 8:59 AM, crufone @comcast.net wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike G,
>>>
>>> I am interested in how you fitted LED lamps into
>> the original light fixtures.? What was your procedure and where there any
>> tricks involved? What brand LED's did you install?? Thank you.
>>>
>>> Michael
>> #133
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From:
>> "Michael Grosh " < dickdurk @ gmail .com>
>>> To: " Alberg 30 Public List --
>> open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 9,
>> 2011 8:58:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Early model running light
>> question
>>>
>>> The contact assembly should just push out-basically with an
>> ice pick from in
>>> the cabin. New ones are available, but the heavy chrome
>> over brass fitting
>>> is not. They are Perko . The replacements I have seen
>> are cheap looking
>>> stamped SS.
>>> I was interested in lower electrical
>> draw, and LED bulbs would not fit into
>>> the space available, hence the
>> hardwired pigtail option.
>>> I guess you should also be aware the side
>> mounted lights do not comply with
>>> visibility requirements, especially when
>> power sailing. The relatively
>>> higher bow, and the foresail, blocks
>> visibility.
>>>
>>> MichaelGrosh
>>> #220
>>> On Oct 9, 2011 6:04 PM, "Amy
>> & David Swanson" < zira @ bellsouth .net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mike -
>>>>
>>
>>>> The glass comes out fine.? I just can't get the actual contact part out.
>>
>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> David Swanson
>>>> Strayaway Child
>>>> Alberg 30
>> #229
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Grosh " < dickdurk @
>> gmail .com>
>>>> To: " Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
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>> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 6:01 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Early
>> model running light question
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>? On my '67 boat, the colored lens
>> is glass. It was held in place by
>>>>> pressure
>>>>> and had a foamy rubber
>> sort of gasket. As long as a PO didn't get
>>>>> creative,
>>>>> the glass
>> should just pop out.
>>>>> On Checkmate, I deleted the bulb and fixture with
>> LED. I soldered pigtails
>>>>> directly to the 'bulb' contacts, then sealed in
>> the whole mess (inside the
>>>>> colored glass) with silicone. Works great-be
>> aware LEDs are polarity
>>>>> sensitive, though.
>>>>>
>>>>> MichaelGrosh
>>
>>>>> #220
>>>>> On Oct 9, 2011 4:23 PM, "Amy & David Swanson" < zira @
>> bellsouth .net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>? On my 1967 model boat, I am having
>> problems with the st
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