[Public-List] Tiller Head - I'm stuck!

Tue Apr 3 12:13:39 PDT 2012

Yep, the second one's got a smiley because I only use it to confuse
people/make jokes.

-K

On Tue, Apr 03, 2012 at 02:57:44PM -0400, Don Campbell wrote:
> You can only go one way and that is A before O. Oxygen does not
> burn, it only supports combustion.
> Don
> 
> On 4/3/2012 9:48 AM, Kris Coward wrote:
> >A before O or up you go.
> >
> >Or is that O before A and you're OK? ;)
> >
> >-K
> >
> >On Tue, Apr 03, 2012 at 06:48:55AM -0400, Michael Grosh wrote:
> >>I bought a "home" welding kit (for brazing) from Lowes, $50.00 or so. It
> >>uses small bottles of acethylene and oxygen. Definately hot enough to melt
> >>bronze and steel, if not careful. It has a pinpoint flame. It burns through
> >>a lot of oxygen, in particular, so get several bottles.
> >>There are some safety issues working with acethyl., namely instability at
> >>high pressures, you don't want the oxygen backing down the acethylene line,
> >>so don't just crank all valves wide open..
> >>MichaelGrosh
> >>#220
> >>On Apr 3, 2012 2:24 AM, "Glennb"<brooks.glenn at comcast.net>  wrote:
> >>
> >>>Jeff,
> >>>
> >>>picture is worth a thousands words!!
> >>>yep, you may be right, the bronze head is soaking up the heat and not
> >>>enough Is transferring done the bolt shaft to engage the frozen/ corroded
> >>>threads.  map gas is certainly a lot hotter than propane.  May be worth a
> >>>hundred bucks to have a welder come down on the dock with an oxygen/
> >>>acetylene torch to do the job.  probably take two minutes if you can apply
> >>>enuf heat.
> >>>
> >>>If you try Map gas, use a single oriface tip that creates a pin point jet
> >>>of flame one that focuses the flame into one concentrated point, rather
> >>>than the  round multi flame head that plumbers use.  a single concentrated
> >>>  blue flame should put better than 1200 degrees of heat directly into the
> >>>bolt head, which will solve the problem of difusing heat into the casting.
> >>>  also will transfer the heat directly down the shaft, rather than disburse
> >>>around the inside of the tiller  head, as your casting is doing with
> >>>propane.  the hottest part of the flame is the blue tip, which you can see
> >>>inside the surrounding outer orange/ yellowish flame. the plumbers tip is
> >>>designed to only heat copper pipe enuf to melt solder, and burns mostly in
> >>>the cooler yellow orange heat range.
> >>>
> >>>Last resort, grind the bolt head off and drill out the shank enuf to pull
> >>>off the casting.  But I will bet you can shag loose the bolt with hotter
> >>>gas and more concentrated flame.
> >>>
> >>>good luck,  Remember Gord's advice, never let the damn thing know you have
> >>>any doubt about the outcome!
> >>>Glenn
> >>>
> >>>Sent from my iPad
> >>>
> >>>On Apr 2, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Jeffrey<fongemie at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Stephen,
> >>>>
> >>>>I don't see a locking nut? Could be different?
> >>>>
> >>>>Here's a pic:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/lsS244jx3K_MsQHCr2zNU8Yo97La3IcdoLp5HwrbtiM?feat=directlink
> >>>>The gallery of my lovely tiller head which again has me defeated
> >>>>today.
> >>>https://picasaweb.google.com/fongemie/March312012?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCOui54Ls4Ou7OQ&feat=directlink
> >>>>
> >>>>-Jeff
> >>>>
> >>>>Jeff Fongemie
> >>>>#116 Seagrass
> >>>>
> >>>>http://picasaweb.google.com/fongemie
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Stephen Sousa<alberg114 at hotmail.com>
> >>>wrote:
> >>>>>Jeff,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Attached to that bolt is a locking nut that needs to backed off.
> >>>Generally when that is free the bolt/pin will screw out of the tiller head.
> >>>This is generally the easy part, I had a very difficult time removing the
> >>>tiller head on #114 a few years back and used WD40/PB Blaster and a torch.
> >>>That process took a few days to remove the tiller head.
> >>>>>Stephen
> >>>>>(former owner of #114)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>From: brooks.glenn at comcast.net
> >>>>>>To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> >>>>>>Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 08:47:52 -0700
> >>>>>>Subject: Re: [Public-List] Tiller Head - I'm stuck!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>hi Jeff, Did you heat the bolt to red hot? Iam surprised it didn't
> >>>back out of the bronze shaft.
> >>>>>>Any chance the other end is peened...hammered into a mushroom shape to
> >>>prevent extraction?
> >>>>>>BTW, your rebuild photos on line are fantastic. great wood working and
> >>>varnish!
> >>>>>>Glenn B
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Sent from my iPad
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>On Apr 2, 2012, at 7:39 AM, Gordon Laco<mainstay at csolve.net>  wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Wish I had real advice to offer....
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>On 02/04/12 10:07 AM, "Jeffrey"<fongemie at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>End of day two:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Bolt 2
> >>>>>>>>Me 0
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>-jeff
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Jeff Fongemie
> >>>>>>>>#116 Seagrass
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>http://picasaweb.google.com/fongemie
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Gordon Laco<mainstay at csolve.net>
> >>>wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>Thanks - that's high praise
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>G
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>On 2012-04-01, at 10:43 AM, dan walker<dsailormon at yahoo.com>
> >>>wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>gord, i see you have been taking writing lessons from mowatt..
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>>From: Gordon Laco<mainstay at csolve.net>
> >>>>>>>>>>To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all<
> >>>public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> >>>>>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 7:45 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Public-List] Tiller Head - I'm stuck!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>I deal with old fastenings like this:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>First one must "Address the bolt" and apply various techniques
> >>>involving
> >>>>>>>>>>cursing the bolt, one's tools, the whole boat, etc. Second one must
> >>>>>>>>>"Get
> >>>>>>>>>>the bolt's attention" which involves hitting it smartly on the
> >>>head with
> >>>>>>>>>a
> >>>>>>>>>>hammer. If one does this before the first wrench is applied, the
> >>>bolt
> >>>>>>>>>will
> >>>>>>>>>>know that this is a battle to the death that it cannot win.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Success in the whole procedure hinges upon not losing the moral
> >>>high
> >>>>>>>>>ground
> >>>>>>>>>>and letting the bolt dictate what your next action will be and how
> >>>the
> >>>>>>>>>job
> >>>>>>>>>>was going to go. You must keep the initiative.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Applying all one's available resources at the first go is a
> >>>mistake,
> >>>>>>>>>because
> >>>>>>>>>>if the attack fails, clearly the bolt now has the upper hand
> >>>knowing
> >>>>>>>>>you've
> >>>>>>>>>>already played your best cards. The bolt will face your next
> >>>attempt
> >>>>>>>>>secure
> >>>>>>>>>>in the knowledge that it has soundly beaten you once, and it may
> >>>beat you
> >>>>>>>>>>again.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Better to use gradually increasing levels of force. This keeps the
> >>>upper
> >>>>>>>>>>hand in your court, because the bolt soon must know that if it has
> >>>>>>>>>resisted
> >>>>>>>>>>the most recent assault, that victory is hollow and means nothing,
> >>>>>>>>>because
> >>>>>>>>>>recent history would indicate that you will be back and with more
> >>>force,
> >>>>>>>>>in
> >>>>>>>>>>only a moment. You keep your morale high, you may even laugh,
> >>>while the
> >>>>>>>>>>bolt's morale simply must get lower and lower until it knows when
> >>>it is
> >>>>>>>>>>exhausted, it ultimately must give up.
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