[Public-List] Tiller Head - I'm stuck!

crufone at comcast.net crufone at comcast.net
Wed Apr 4 16:27:09 PDT 2012




Jeff, 

I would be a little concerned with heating the fitting to a great temperature for too long a time period. My thought is that the heat will eventually travel down the rudder stock and heat up the fiberglass tube it passes thru on the non-liner boats. This heat if excessive could damage the fiberglass and cause it to leak in the future. This is also in a remote place where it is hard if not impossible to check while you are heating the fitting. I assume that you are going to double check this tube for structural integrity as part of your rudder repair. 

  

The scenario comes to mind where a home owner eventually set his home on fire by using a heat gun for several hours to soften and remove paint. He heated up the wall cavity to a point where it set the insulation on fire ...............none of which he could see from his vantage point on the outside of the house. 

  

What I am suggesting is to heat up the fitting .............. good and hot and let it cool down for quite a while before heating again. Mainly because you can't feel or determine how much heat is transfered to where you can't observe it.  



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From: "Jeffrey" <fongemie at gmail.com> 
To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 8:45:56 AM 
Subject: Re: [Public-List] Tiller Head - I'm stuck! 

I have not tried CRC Freeze Off, but I need to go to town today so 
I'll pick some up.  The more I think about it, I'm a bit nervous about 
adding much more heat. Bronze can melt at 2000 degF or less.  I can be 
patient. 

I like the idea of immersing the whole tiller head in solvent. I'm 
wondering what the solvents won't dissolve? Could I zip tie a latex or 
butyl inner tube section around the shaft, then fill it up with 
solvent?  Might be worth an experiment.  I don't want to dork up the 
fixture itself. 

On another note, I'm finally putting some time into bringing back the 
hull. I got a new Makita polisher: 

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/IOS2XxW4tIuO275NqvTAh5s2JjFi0EBE9QO4WtaoFco?feat=directlink 

Much more fun than wrestling with old rusty bolts. 

-jeff 

Jeff Fongemie 
#116 Seagrass 

http://picasaweb.google.com/fongemie 











On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Mike Lehman <sail_505 at hotmail.com> wrote: 
> Has anyone tried CRC Freeze Off....it works great, mucho better than PB 
> Blaster or anything else. When you spray it on it bubbles up (like scrubbing 
> bubbles) eating away at corrosion. I found it at the auto supply store. 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: crufone at comcast.net 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 7:19 AM 
> To: fongemie at gmail.com ; Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all 
> 
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Tiller Head - I'm stuck! 
> 
> 
> 
> Jeff, 
> 
> This might sound obvious, but try alternately loosening and tightening the 
> bolt as you attempt to extract it. You may end up resorting to Process two. 
> Drilling out the bolt. It can be done just do so with the idea that this is 
> the only fitting left on earth and then you will be extra careful. Use many 
> new drills to keep them sharp and on center. A dull bit tends to walk off 
> center. 
> 
> Michael 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> 
> 
> 
> From: "Jeffrey" <fongemie at gmail.com> 
> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> 
> Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 1:39:41 PM 
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Tiller Head - I'm stuck! 
> 
> Glenn, no with the propane torch I have I can't get the bolt red hot. I 
> think the bolt, head & shaft together make too much of a heat sink. 
> 
> I'm going to see if I can scrounge up a Mapp gas touch. Thanks for the 
> complements on the woodwork. I love working with wood, hate working with 
> nuts & bolts, fiberglass. 
> 
> -Jeff 
> 
> Jeff Fongemie 
> #116 Seagrass 
> 
> http://picasaweb.google.com/fongemie 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Glennb <brooks.glenn at comcast.net> wrote: 
> 
>> hi Jeff,  Did you heat the bolt to red hot? Iam surprised it didn't back 
>> out of the bronze shaft. 
>> 
>> Any chance the other end is peened...hammered into a mushroom shape to 
>> prevent extraction? 
>> 
>> BTW, your rebuild photos on line are fantastic.  great wood working and 
>> varnish! 
>> 
>> Glenn B 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad 
>> 
>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 7:39 AM, Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote: 
>> 
>> > Wish I had real advice to offer.... 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On 02/04/12 10:07 AM, "Jeffrey" <fongemie at gmail.com> wrote: 
>> > 
>> >> End of day two: 
>> >> 
>> >> Bolt 2 
>> >> Me 0 
>> >> 
>> >> -jeff 
>> >> 
>> >> Jeff Fongemie 
>> >> #116 Seagrass 
>> >> 
>> >> http://picasaweb.google.com/fongemie 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> 
>> wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >>> Thanks - that's high praise 
>> >>> 
>> >>> G 
>> >>> 
>> >>> On 2012-04-01, at 10:43 AM, dan walker <dsailormon at yahoo.com> wrote: 
>> >>> 
>> >>>> gord, i see you have been taking writing lessons from mowatt.. 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> ________________________________ 
>> >>>> From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> 
>> >>>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all < 
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 7:45 PM 
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Tiller Head - I'm stuck! 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> I deal with old fastenings like this: 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> First one must "Address the bolt" and apply various techniques 
>> involving 
>> >>>> cursing the bolt, one's tools, the whole boat, etc.   Second  one 
>> >>>> >>>> must 
>> >>> "Get 
>> >>>> the bolt's attention" which involves hitting it smartly on the head 
>> with 
>> >>> a 
>> >>>> hammer.   If one does this before the first wrench is applied, the 
>> bolt 
>> >>> will 
>> >>>> know that this is a battle to the death that it cannot win. 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> Success in the whole procedure hinges upon not losing the moral high 
>> >>> ground 
>> >>>> and letting the bolt dictate what your next action will be and how 
>> >>>> >>>> the 
>> >>> job 
>> >>>> was going to go.  You must keep the initiative. 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> Applying all one's available resources at the first go is a mistake, 
>> >>> because 
>> >>>> if the attack fails, clearly the bolt now has the upper hand knowing 
>> >>> you've 
>> >>>> already played your best cards.  The bolt will face your next attempt 
>> >>> secure 
>> >>>> in the knowledge that it has soundly beaten you once, and it may beat 
>> you 
>> >>>> again. 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> Better to use gradually increasing levels of force.  This keeps the 
>> upper 
>> >>>> hand in your court, because the bolt soon must know that if it has 
>> >>> resisted 
>> >>>> the most recent assault, that victory is hollow and means nothing, 
>> >>> because 
>> >>>> recent history would indicate that you will be back and with more 
>> force, 
>> >>> in 
>> >>>> only a moment.  You keep your morale high, you may even laugh, while 
>> the 
>> >>>> bolt's morale simply must get lower and lower until it knows when it 
>> is 
>> >>>> exhausted, it ultimately must give up. 
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