[Public-List] Pu keel bolt question

Wed Apr 11 05:30:12 PDT 2012

Maybe someone in the past drove down a couple of bolts to fix battery boxes
or something down there....  Keel bolts in a boat the size of an A30 would
be somewhat larger than 1" in diameter...and the nuts over 2" across. Huge,
in other words.  

Gord #426 Surprise

On 11/04/12 8:21 AM, "Mike Lehman" <sail_505 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Use a shop vac to remove them :-)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: brian curry
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:48 PM
> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Pu keel bolt question
> 
> 
> Got my answer on keel bolts, we have internal ballast.  But I think I am
> seeing something that looks like the head of a bolt (actually a couple of
> them) in the bilge under the cabin sole.  Could that be?
> 
> 
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>> 1. Re: questions about keel and keel bolts, (George Dinwiddie)
>> 2. Re: questions about keel and keel bolts, (Mike Lehman)
>> 3. Re: Battle of the Bolt (Mike Lehman)
>> 4. Re: Battle of the Bolt (crufone at comcast.net)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 06:16:06 -0400
>> From: George Dinwiddie <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>
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>> On 4/5/12 10:50 PM, brian curry wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a question about something I saw a while back. Do our boats
>>> have keel bolts?
>> 
>> No.
>> 
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 06:56:27 -0400
>> From: Mike Lehman <sail_505 at hotmail.com>
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>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] questions about keel and keel bolts,
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>> Brian
>> 
>> The A30 has internal ballast which does not require keel bolts
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> 
>> I have a question about something I saw a while back. Do our boats have
>> keel bolts?
>> 
>> Brian Curry
>> Makai #151
>> 
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>>> Today's Topics:
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>>> 1. Stock bow water tank circa #329ish (Len Payne)
>>> 2. North Channel - July? (Len Payne)
>>> 3. Re: Sealing cockpit coamings (George Dinwiddie)
>>> 4. Re: North Channel - July? (Gordon Laco)
>>> 5. Re: Albergers in the South of France Alberg vs Beneteau
>>> (Stephen Gwyn)
>>> 6. Battle of the Bolt (Jeffrey)
>>> 7. Re: Battle of the Bolt (Michael Grosh)
>>> 8. Re: Battle of the Bolt (crufone at comcast.net)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 14:00:29 -0600
>>> From: "Len Payne" <lenpayne at bresnan.net>
>>> To: <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>> Subject: [Public-List] Stock bow water tank circa #329ish
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>>> Hi, Jim,
>>> According to the stock drawings of the Alberg 30, that is a factory tank
>>> that holds 30 gallons.
>>> The top of the tank is right at the waterline of the boat, with the
>>> "Vee"
>>> seat and small drawer just above the water tank.
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> Len
>>> (still up for the circumnavigation? I'm headed to Charlevoix next week
>>> to
>>> finish the work on "Myranda", my A-35)
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 14:05:57 -0600
>>> From: "Len Payne" <lenpayne at bresnan.net>
>>> To: <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>> Subject: [Public-List] North Channel - July?
>>> Message-ID: <5043D4099B2148D4B8737C01E5F71258 at sinks3244d14f9>
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>>> John - Brian - care for the company of a A-35?
>>> 
>>> "Myranda" should be in the water and have passed her 'trials' by then
>>> ....
>>> and ready for a decent sail.
>>> Len
>>> "Myranda" A-35 #192
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:11:20 -0400
>>> From: George Dinwiddie <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>
>>> To: Bill Newman <newman423 at sympatico.ca>, Alberg 30 Public List --
>>> open to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Sealing cockpit coamings
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>>> 
>>> On Calypso, #543, I cleaned off all the old Dolfenite and used 2"x1/16"
>>> (I
>>> think, might have been 1/8") neoprene gasket along the top of the
>>> Fiberglas behind the coaming. After reassembly, I put a fillet of caulk
>>> along this seam, also.
>>> 
>>> George
>>> 
>>> Sent from a primitive pocket computer. Please assume all errors are due
>>> to
>>> that.
>>> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2012, at 13:58, "Bill Newman" <newman423 at rogers.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have removed the cockpit coamings for refinishing on #233 for the
>>>> third time since I bought it in 1998. I have been thinking about the
>>>> best way to seal them to prevent water on deck from running onto the
>>>> seats. The coamings are of the old type with a piece of teak quarter
>>>> round on the outboard side. I am thinking that this time I will just
>>>> seal the quarter round to the coamings and seal the bottom of the
>>>> quarter round to the deck. I don't believe any sealant below this
>>>> level
>>>> will to much good and may trap water that does get past the seal and
>>>> cause rot. I will also want to remove them again in a few years so
>>>> 5200
>>>> probably isn't a good idea.
>>>> 
>>>> Any comments from anyone who has done this will be appreciated.
>>>> 
>>>> Bill Newman
>>>> Marion Rose III, #233
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>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 16:39:09 -0400
>>> From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
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>>> Hello Gents - if you make it to Southern Georgian Bay please be our
>>> guests... Google Midland Bay Sailing Club.
>>> 
>>> Gord #426 Surprise
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 05/04/12 4:05 PM, "Len Payne" <lenpayne at bresnan.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> John - Brian - care for the company of a A-35?
>>>> 
>>>> "Myranda" should be in the water and have passed her 'trials' by then
>>>> .... and
>>>> ready for a decent sail.
>>>> Len
>>>> "Myranda" A-35 #192
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>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 14:40:09 -0700
>>> From: Stephen Gwyn <stephen.gwyn at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>
>>> To: "public-list at lists.alberg30.org" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Albergers in the South of France Alberg vs
>>> Beneteau
>>> Message-ID: <4F7E1139.2060205 at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure we would have made it upwind in an Alberg:
>>> it was blowing pretty hard. But we might have, slowly.
>>> And we would have been safer and happier. This was a Beneteau 29.
>>> You really had to keep a hand ready to dump the main to avoid
>>> broaching. And there were no grab handles down below so the
>>> boat lurched, you tended to go flying. I've never been seasick
>>> on an Alberg (except sometimes, when I'm down below). I was
>>> queasy on this boat, 3 days out of 4. The other day was spent
>>> in a harbour.
>>> 
>>> The flat bottom sections meant that if there was even
>>> 2 inches of chop at the dock, you got kept up all night
>>> with wave slap.
>>> 
>>> On the plus side, the galley was much, much better than the
>>> spartan accommodations on the A30. The amount of back strain
>>> I've had cooking in the A30 galley is considerable.
>>> 
>>> SG
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 18:51:04 -0400
>>> From: Jeffrey <alberg30nh at gmail.com>
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>>> Subject: [Public-List] Battle of the Bolt
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>>> 
>>> Yesterday, after days of heating, spraying, tapping, heating and
>>> waiting..I put the wrench on the one bolt bolt that holds my tiller
>>> head to the shaft, and of course the head came off. Luckily, there
>>> was just a little stump of metal sticking out past the shaft that
>>> prevented me from removing the tiller head which was easy to grind out
>>> allowing me to remove the tiller head.
>>> 
>>> Today, with the tiller head out of the picture, I got myself a couple
>>> of screw extraction kits, which of course failed. The bolt isn't that
>>> corroded, it just seems to be part of the shaft now. When I drilled
>>> the hole for the extraction bit, I drilled all the way through the
>>> bolt since the hole in the shaft also goes clean through.
>>> 
>>> I could see with a mirror the back side and clear through so with my
>>> hole evenly centered I, drilled out the hole in the bolt larger and
>>> larger, moving up in drill bit sizes to where there's not much bolt
>>> left. I used a chain saw file to further file out the bolt. I got the
>>> bolt to where just the edges are left. Thinking I could remove this
>>> like a cutless bearing I put a modified hacksaw blade in the hole to
>>> create a split, thinking I'd dork up the threads in the bronze but
>>> cleanly in just the one line. I got the cut finished and still cannot
>>> remove the steel edges of the bolt.
>>> 
>>> See:
>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/dXMZtCcrcLA_ZZuU9tI0bK3GpdfW2x_hlAS0ff
>>> zZ0So?feat=directlink
>>> 
>>> What I'm thinking now is that I should give up on saving the threads.
>>> Just drill it all out and tap threads to the next larger size.
>>> Currently I believe the bolt was 3/8. The hole in front of my tiller
>>> head measures 7/16. Perhaps I could drill this all out to 7/16 and cut
>>> some threads for the new 7/16 size. How difficult to tap bronze? I'm
>>> not expecting much trouble, but one lever knows.
>>> 
>>> See:
>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/RHegX__ChJC4c-bWAsP_F63GpdfW2x_hlAS0ff
>>> zZ0So?feat=directlink
>>> 
>>> Once (if) successful, should I use a steel or bronze bolt for this??
>>> It would seem that 7/16 bronze is strong enough, but then again the
>>> bolt is pretty important. Stainless and some anti corrosion substance
>>> like tef-gel??
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Jeffrey Fongemie
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 20:13:50 -0400
>>> From: Michael Grosh <dickdurk at gmail.com>
>>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Battle of the Bolt
>>> Message-ID:
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>>> 
>>> Bronze is a wonderful metal to work with. I stripped the threads holding
>>> the set screw and installed threads ( I forget the name of the product,
>>> but
>>> they are stainless and have held up well 30 years) after drilling and
>>> tapping to accommodate them. The set bolt size remains the same.
>>> I never seize everything on reinstall.
>>> MichaelGrosh
>>> #220
>>> On Apr 5, 2012 6:51 PM, "Jeffrey" <alberg30nh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yesterday, after days of heating, spraying, tapping, heating and
>>>> waiting..I put the wrench on the one bolt bolt that holds my tiller
>>>> head to the shaft, and of course the head came off. Luckily, there
>>>> was just a little stump of metal sticking out past the shaft that
>>>> prevented me from removing the tiller head which was easy to grind out
>>>> allowing me to remove the tiller head.
>>>> 
>>>> Today, with the tiller head out of the picture, I got myself a couple
>>>> of screw extraction kits, which of course failed. The bolt isn't that
>>>> corroded, it just seems to be part of the shaft now. When I drilled
>>>> the hole for the extraction bit, I drilled all the way through the
>>>> bolt since the hole in the shaft also goes clean through.
>>>> 
>>>> I could see with a mirror the back side and clear through so with my
>>>> hole evenly centered I, drilled out the hole in the bolt larger and
>>>> larger, moving up in drill bit sizes to where there's not much bolt
>>>> left. I used a chain saw file to further file out the bolt. I got the
>>>> bolt to where just the edges are left. Thinking I could remove this
>>>> like a cutless bearing I put a modified hacksaw blade in the hole to
>>>> create a split, thinking I'd dork up the threads in the bronze but
>>>> cleanly in just the one line. I got the cut finished and still cannot
>>>> remove the steel edges of the bolt.
>>>> 
>>>> See:
>>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/dXMZtCcrcLA_ZZuU9tI0bK3GpdfW2x_hlAS0f
>>>> fzZ0So?feat=directlink
>>>> 
>>>> What I'm thinking now is that I should give up on saving the threads.
>>>> Just drill it all out and tap threads to the next larger size.
>>>> Currently I believe the bolt was 3/8. The hole in front of my tiller
>>>> head measures 7/16. Perhaps I could drill this all out to 7/16 and cut
>>>> some threads for the new 7/16 size. How difficult to tap bronze? I'm
>>>> not expecting much trouble, but one lever knows.
>>>> 
>>>> See:
>>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/RHegX__ChJC4c-bWAsP_F63GpdfW2x_hlAS0f
>>>> fzZ0So?feat=directlink
>>>> 
>>>> Once (if) successful, should I use a steel or bronze bolt for this??
>>>> It would seem that 7/16 bronze is strong enough, but then again the
>>>> bolt is pretty important. Stainless and some anti corrosion substance
>>>> like tef-gel??
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Jeffrey Fongemie
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
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>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 00:56:21 +0000 (UTC)
>>> From: crufone at comcast.net
>>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Battle of the Bolt
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>>> 
>>> The trade name is Heli-coil. Produces a thread the same internal size as
>>> the original bolt. I would use Anti-seize on anything put together on a
>>> boat that would need periodic disassembly. Anti-seize would also work to
>>> prevent the stainless to stainless galling which really causes problems
>>> when trying to disassemble fittings.
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Michael Grosh" <dickdurk at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 8:13:50 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Battle of the Bolt
>>> 
>>> Bronze is a wonderful metal to work with. I stripped the threads holding
>>> the set screw and installed threads ( I forget the name of the product,
>>> but
>>> they are stainless and have held up well 30 years) after drilling and
>>> tapping to accommodate them. The set bolt size remains the same.
>>> I never seize everything on reinstall.
>>> MichaelGrosh
>>> #220
>>> On Apr 5, 2012 6:51 PM, "Jeffrey" <alberg30nh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yesterday, after days of heating, spraying, tapping, heating and
>>>> waiting..I put the wrench on the one bolt bolt that holds my tiller
>>>> head to the shaft, and of course the head came off. ?Luckily, there
>>>> was just a little stump of metal sticking out past the shaft that
>>>> prevented me from removing the tiller head which was easy to grind out
>>>> allowing me to remove the tiller head.
>>>> 
>>>> Today, with the tiller head out of the picture, I got myself a couple
>>>> of screw extraction kits, which of course failed. The bolt isn't that
>>>> corroded, it just seems to be part of the shaft now. ?When I drilled
>>>> the hole for the extraction bit, I drilled all the way through the
>>>> bolt since the hole in the shaft also goes clean through.
>>>> 
>>>> I could see with a mirror the back side and clear through so with my
>>>> hole evenly centered I, drilled out the hole in the bolt larger and
>>>> larger, moving up in drill bit sizes to where there's not much bolt
>>>> left. I used a chain saw file to further file out the bolt. ?I got the
>>>> bolt to where just the edges are left. Thinking I could remove this
>>>> like a cutless bearing I put a modified hacksaw blade in the hole to
>>>> create a split, thinking I'd dork up the threads in the bronze but
>>>> cleanly in just the one line. I got the cut finished and still cannot
>>>> remove the steel edges of the bolt.
>>>> 
>>>> See:
>>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/dXMZtCcrcLA_ZZuU9tI0bK3GpdfW2x_hlAS0f
>>>> fzZ0So?feat=directlink
>>>> 
>>>> What I'm thinking now is that I should give up on saving the threads.
>>>> Just drill it all out and tap threads to the next larger size.
>>>> Currently I believe the bolt was 3/8. The hole in front of my tiller
>>>> head measures 7/16. Perhaps I could drill this all out to 7/16 and cut
>>>> some threads for the new 7/16 size. ?How difficult to tap bronze? I'm
>>>> not expecting much trouble, but one lever knows.
>>>> 
>>>> See:
>>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/RHegX__ChJC4c-bWAsP_F63GpdfW2x_hlAS0f
>>>> fzZ0So?feat=directlink
>>>> 
>>>> Once (if) successful, ?should I use a steel or bronze bolt for this??
>>>> It would seem that 7/16 bronze is strong enough, but then again the
>>>> bolt is pretty important. Stainless and some anti corrosion substance
>>>> like tef-gel??
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Jeffrey Fongemie
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> These businesses support your Association:
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 07:03:28 -0400
>> From: Mike Lehman <sail_505 at hotmail.com>
>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Battle of the Bolt
>> Message-ID: <BAY170-DS303A63AC97FCE1AC5FBE74B7300 at phx.gbl>
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>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> I believe that in this application a SS bolt would be fine. You should not
>> have SS corrosion like you would if the bolt were underwater, like the
>> rudder shoe bolt.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jeffrey
>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 6:51 PM
>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>> Subject: [Public-List] Battle of the Bolt
>> 
>> Yesterday, after days of heating, spraying, tapping, heating and
>> waiting..I put the wrench on the one bolt bolt that holds my tiller
>> head to the shaft, and of course the head came off. Luckily, there
>> was just a little stump of metal sticking out past the shaft that
>> prevented me from removing the tiller head which was easy to grind out
>> allowing me to remove the tiller head.
>> 
>> Today, with the tiller head out of the picture, I got myself a couple
>> of screw extraction kits, which of course failed. The bolt isn't that
>> corroded, it just seems to be part of the shaft now. When I drilled
>> the hole for the extraction bit, I drilled all the way through the
>> bolt since the hole in the shaft also goes clean through.
>> 
>> I could see with a mirror the back side and clear through so with my
>> hole evenly centered I, drilled out the hole in the bolt larger and
>> larger, moving up in drill bit sizes to where there's not much bolt
>> left. I used a chain saw file to further file out the bolt. I got the
>> bolt to where just the edges are left. Thinking I could remove this
>> like a cutless bearing I put a modified hacksaw blade in the hole to
>> create a split, thinking I'd dork up the threads in the bronze but
>> cleanly in just the one line. I got the cut finished and still cannot
>> remove the steel edges of the bolt.
>> 
>> See:
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/dXMZtCcrcLA_ZZuU9tI0bK3GpdfW2x_hlAS0ffz
>> Z0So?feat=directlink
>> 
>> What I'm thinking now is that I should give up on saving the threads.
>> Just drill it all out and tap threads to the next larger size.
>> Currently I believe the bolt was 3/8. The hole in front of my tiller
>> head measures 7/16. Perhaps I could drill this all out to 7/16 and cut
>> some threads for the new 7/16 size. How difficult to tap bronze? I'm
>> not expecting much trouble, but one lever knows.
>> 
>> See:
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/RHegX__ChJC4c-bWAsP_F63GpdfW2x_hlAS0ffz
>> Z0So?feat=directlink
>> 
>> Once (if) successful, should I use a steel or bronze bolt for this??
>> It would seem that 7/16 bronze is strong enough, but then again the
>> bolt is pretty important. Stainless and some anti corrosion substance
>> like tef-gel??
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jeffrey Fongemie
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 12:54:35 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: crufone at comcast.net
>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Battle of the Bolt
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>> Yes
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jeffrey" <alberg30nh at gmail.com>
>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 9:28:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Battle of the Bolt
>> 
>> Heli coil did cross my mind, except for the mixing of metals. Wouldn't all
>> bronze be better?
>> On Apr 5, 2012 8:56 PM, <crufone at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> The trade name is Heli-coil. Produces a thread the same internal size as
>>> the original bolt. I would use Anti-seize on anything put together on a
>>> boat that would need periodic disassembly. Anti-seize would also work to
>>> prevent the stainless to stainless galling which really causes problems
>>> when trying to disassemble fittings.
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Michael Grosh" <dickdurk at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>>>> 
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 8:13:50 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Battle of the Bolt
>>> 
>>> Bronze is a wonderful metal to work with. I stripped the threads holding
>>> the set screw and installed threads ( I forget the name of the product,
>>> but
>>> they are stainless and have held up well 30 years) after drilling and
>>> tapping to accommodate them. The set bolt size remains the same.
>>> I never seize everything on reinstall.
>>> MichaelGrosh
>>> #220
>>> On Apr 5, 2012 6:51 PM, "Jeffrey" <alberg30nh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yesterday, after days of heating, spraying, tapping, heating and
>>>> waiting..I put the wrench on the one bolt bolt that holds my tiller
>>>> head to the shaft, and of course the head came off. ?Luckily, there
>>>> was just a little stump of metal sticking out past the shaft that
>>>> prevented me from removing the tiller head which was easy to grind out
>>>> allowing me to remove the tiller head.
>>>> 
>>>> Today, with the tiller head out of the picture, I got myself a couple
>>>> of screw extraction kits, which of course failed. The bolt isn't that
>>>> corroded, it just seems to be part of the shaft now. ?When I drilled
>>>> the hole for the extraction bit, I drilled all the way through the
>>>> bolt since the hole in the shaft also goes clean through.
>>>> 
>>>> I could see with a mirror the back side and clear through so with my
>>>> hole evenly centered I, drilled out the hole in the bolt larger and
>>>> larger, moving up in drill bit sizes to where there's not much bolt
>>>> left. I used a chain saw file to further file out the bolt. ?I got the
>>>> bolt to where just the edges are left. Thinking I could remove this
>>>> like a cutless bearing I put a modified hacksaw blade in the hole to
>>>> create a split, thinking I'd dork up the threads in the bronze but
>>>> cleanly in just the one line. I got the cut finished and still cannot
>>>> remove the steel edges of the bolt.
>>>> 
>>>> See:
>>>> 
>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/dXMZtCcrcLA_ZZuU9tI0bK3GpdfW2x_hlAS0ff
>>> zZ0So?feat=directlink
>>>> 
>>>> What I'm thinking now is that I should give up on saving the threads.
>>>> Just drill it all out and tap threads to the next larger size.
>>>> Currently I believe the bolt was 3/8. The hole in front of my tiller
>>>> head measures 7/16. Perhaps I could drill this all out to 7/16 and cut
>>>> some threads for the new 7/16 size. ?How difficult to tap bronze? I'm
>>>> not expecting much trouble, but one lever knows.
>>>> 
>>>> See:
>>>> 
>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/RHegX__ChJC4c-bWAsP_F63GpdfW2x_hlAS0ff
>>> zZ0So?feat=directlink
>>>> 
>>>> Once (if) successful, ?should I use a steel or bronze bolt for this??
>>>> It would seem that 7/16 bronze is strong enough, but then again the
>>>> bolt is pretty important. Stainless and some anti corrosion substance
>>>> like tef-gel??
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Jeffrey Fongemie
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