[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 2377, Issue 1

Clayton Zimmerman cb_zimmerman at hotmail.com
Wed Jun 27 11:10:57 PDT 2012 

Mike and LAF, that's exactly what I wanted to hear, thanks. 1/4 knot in light airs is amazing, but so is the bit about the extra crew on the aft  pit. LAF, I totally hear ya about sailing inland waters. Yesterday I pulled Tanager for 2 hours with my row boat after the wind died and the current was setting us onto a reef (attempting to sail without an engine). Interesting note on the water tank weight. I was thinking to throw some more anchor chain up there and wasn't sure how it'd affect the performance. Sounds like a good idea.
As always, excellent help from this group, thanks,ClaytonS/V Tanager

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> Hello all, I've been sailing my new Alberg 30, Hull #349, around British Columbia for the past month and loving every second of it. Hoping to draw from everyone's knowledge in this forum..............I'm wondering if anyone has or know of anyone who has sailed their Alberg 30 without an engine for a significant period of time? I've read that the stern sort of "squats" with the engine in her and mine definitely does. A previous owner installed a Yanmar 3HM35F (35hp, 350 lbs dry weight). The biggest question is does removing the engine and larger 3 blade prop, significantly improve the performance? I know Yves Gelina sailed around without one, but have not found anything where he argues the point one way or another. 
> Thanks everyone,ClaytonS/V "Tanager"Port Townsend, WA 		 	   		  
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> Hi Clayton,
> I am in Comox BC, hull #30?? something, maybe 9, built 1968. I bought the
> boat in 1999 with the Atomic 4. After sailing her for the most part without
> an engine because it died so many times, (great way to learn
> anchoring/docking etc) but finally in 2003 replace the engine with an Isuzu
> 3BL; 3cylinder about the same as the Yanmar but I liked the specs on it
> better, and most fisherman swore by them. It fit very well into the engine
> compartment, just a bit of modification. When I took out the Atomic I used
> part of the existing fiberglass engine mounts adding a hardwood core and
> fiber glassing over to give a better foundation for a diesel engine.
> I have heard that if the water tank in the bow isn't somewhat full sail
> performance is compromised, but haven't experimented with that or sailing
> without the weight of the engine in the stern.
> I have sailed the Pacific twice, not in my Alberg, a partners steel 36fter,
> but agree that offshore/around the world you could do it without an engine
> but here in the confined waters with strong currents and land sometimes to
> close for comfort I think having an engine is pretty nice. Although I still
> practice and enjoy sailing from/to the dock/anchor and trying to steer by
> setting the sails. Enjoy the sense of independence.
> Anyway there is my two sheets worth....
> Good luck.
> LAF
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> S.V. Avalon
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> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Clayton Zimmerman <cb_zimmerman at hotmail.com
> > wrote:
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> >
> > Hello all, I've been sailing my new Alberg 30, Hull #349, around British
> > Columbia for the past month and loving every second of it. Hoping to draw
> > from everyone's knowledge in this forum..............I'm wondering if
> > anyone has or know of anyone who has sailed their Alberg 30 without an
> > engine for a significant period of time? I've read that the stern sort of
> > "squats" with the engine in her and mine definitely does. A previous owner
> > installed a Yanmar 3HM35F (35hp, 350 lbs dry weight). The biggest question
> > is does removing the engine and larger 3 blade prop, significantly improve
> > the performance? I know Yves Gelina sailed around without one, but have not
> > found anything where he argues the point one way or another.
> > Thanks everyone,ClaytonS/V "Tanager"Port Townsend, WA
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> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:33:27 -0400
> From: Mike Lehman <sail_505 at hotmail.com>
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> Clayton,
> 
> Racing one design is the best way to test the performance of any boat. I 
> used to race my Alberg quite often and with a two-blade prop aligned with 
> the keel. I switched to a 3-blade prop so therefore could not 'hide' the 
> prop and noticed about 1/4 knot difference in performance while sailing. 
> There was a significant performance improvement in motoring and maneuvering. 
> I have always had an engine, first 20 years the Atomic 4 and for the past 15 
> years a Universal M4-30 diesel (about 50 lbs lighter than the Atomic 4)...I 
> have not noticed and performance differences due to the differences in the 
> weight of the engine...now let a crew member sit on the stern 
> pulpit...that's a different story! That's unsupported weight!
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> Mike Lehman
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> -----Original Message----- 
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> 
> Hello all, I've been sailing my new Alberg 30, Hull #349, around British 
> Columbia for the past month and loving every second of it. Hoping to draw 
> from everyone's knowledge in this forum..............I'm wondering if anyone 
> has or know of anyone who has sailed their Alberg 30 without an engine for a 
> significant period of time? I've read that the stern sort of "squats" with 
> the engine in her and mine definitely does. A previous owner installed a 
> Yanmar 3HM35F (35hp, 350 lbs dry weight). The biggest question is does 
> removing the engine and larger 3 blade prop, significantly improve the 
> performance? I know Yves Gelina sailed around without one, but have not 
> found anything where he argues the point one way or another.
> Thanks everyone,ClaytonS/V "Tanager"Port Townsend, WA
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