[Public-List] inner staysl shown on original Whitby Brochure??
David Terrell
dterrell1 at charter.net
Fri Mar 9 07:59:36 PST 2012
Gord
Thanks for a good story and some insight about why my Cal 27 was a
little squirrly off the wind in heavy weather, rounding up
unexpectedly.
David
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Gordon Laco wrote:
> In very light air on any point of sail, the spinnaker staysail seemed
> to do
> nothing but mess up the spinnaker.
>
> In medium air it would draw while reaching, plus or minus a few
> degrees.
>
> The only time I was on a boat that seemed to benefit from this sail
> was
> aboard a One Ton yacht back in the old IOR days. We used that sail in
> heavy
> air broad reaching under spinnaker. Fin keeled yachts of the IOR type
> can
> steer wildly when pressed hard off the wind.... We used the spinnaker
> staysail as an emergency steering assist when the yacht would get out
> of
> control and start rounding up. Easing the main while sheeting the
> staysail
> in hard flat would tend to shove her head down again and help keep us
> under
> the spinnaker. Wild and nerve wracking!
>
> Alberg 30's don't have such poor steering characteristics, even when
> pressed, that they need that sort of brutal steering assist.
>
> Which reminds me of one of TOUCH WOOD's triumphs.... Once upon a time
> at the
> end of the 160 mile annual passage from Toronto to Kingston we used to
> take
> her on at the beginning of holidays sailing in the Thousand Islands,
> we were
> blasting up under spinnaker and main from the Duck Islands toward
> Kingston
> Harbour. We fell in with a flock of larger 'modern' yachts all on the
> home
> run of a distance race. They stampeded past us, some hooting at us
> for
> being a pretty but slow old boat. However, as the wind built and
> backed
> more west, everybody ended up reaching under their chutes... One by
> one the
> C&C 34's, 30's etc rounded up with sails flogging, gear in
> disarray.... And
> along we'd come trudging at our 7knts but going like we were on rails.
> TOUCH
> WOOD was at her max-max flat out hull speed - deep between her bow and
> stern
> waves with so much force on her rudder that it felt like it was locked
> amidships. I was a little afraid we'd tear something out of the deck
> or
> rig, but also felt it would be worth it. They'd get organized, put
> their
> bows down again and shoot ahead past us only to round up further along
> out
> of control...and along we'd come again, catching up. We ended up
> getting to
> Kingston right with them (but to leeward, I didn't want to affect
> their
> race). We broke nothing, there was no drama, just a soundly designed
> yacht
> with superb steering and sail carrying characteristics, doing without
> dramatics what she was meant to do.
>
> Gord #426 SURPRISE
>
>
> On 09/03/12 8:33 AM, "Meinhold, Michael J."
> <MICHAEL.J.MEINHOLD at saic.com>
> wrote:
>
>> They are not allowed by the Chesapeake A30 one-design rule. I have
>> never
>> seen one on an A30!
>>
>> What is the wind range for which you find this sail useful?
>>
>> Mike
>> Rinn Duin #272
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org
>> [mailto:public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org] On Behalf Of Gordon
>> Laco
>> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 8:28 AM
>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] inner staysl shown on original Whitby
>> Brochure??
>>
>> Good morning -
>> Do you folks in the Cheasapeake fleet use spinnaker staysails?
>> They're
>> pretty much out of favour here in Ontario in all classes. I have
>> one
>> and
>> occasionally use it but it's main benefit seems not to be discernable
>> added
>> thrust, but rather a psychological effect on foes. In SURPRISE we
>> took
>> to
>> calling it 'the weapon', and would have over-loud and contrived
>> conversations between cockpit and foredeck about 'should we set the
>> weapon'
>> when racing in close company...and enjoy the nervous glances our foes
>> would
>> be giving us.
>> We've found that the performance envelope of this sail is very
>> narrow.
>> It
>> only draws well in the vicinity of reaching, and is utterly useless
>> broader
>> reaching and running. Close reaching with the spinnaker pole just
>> off
>> the
>> forestay it starts bothering the spinnaker.
>>
>> I don't think its a useful sail for racing - anyone else have any
>> opinions?
>>
>> Gord #426 SURPRISE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 09/03/12 8:11 AM, "David Terrell" <dterrell1 at charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Glenn
>>>
>>> When I read the sail plan, especially in the context of previous
>>> discussion about the staysail on this site, I think Carl meant a
>>> staysail. One could also fly a storm sail from the inner forestay.
>>>
>>> david
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Glennb wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi George,
>>>>
>>>> yes, Perfect! I never thought to look in the Association/ racing
>>>> section, only looked under main category of 'Boat'.
>>>>
>>>> thanks much,
>>>> Glenn P
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 8, 2012, at 7:12 PM, George Dinwiddie
>> <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Glenn
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/8/12 10:10 PM, Glennb wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks David,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having these sail dimensions in one spot is very helpful. might
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> good idea if someone could post them to the A30 web site under
>>>>>> rigging, maybe. also the mast dimensions and section etc. it
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> be good reference material.
>>>>>
>>>>> You mean something like
>>>>> http://alberg30.org/Assoc/Racing/sails.html
>> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> - George
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> Dinwiddie
>>>>> I think how evening follows morn;
>> gdinwiddie at alberg30.org
>>>>> So many I loved were not yet dead,
>> http://www.Alberg30.org
>>>>> So many I love were not yet born. also
>> see:
>>>>> 'The Middle' by Ogden Nash
>> http://idiacomputing.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
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