[Public-List] Circumnavigations

Michael Grosh dickdurk at gmail.com
Fri Oct 19 19:22:26 PDT 2012 

I appreciate your insights, Jeffrey. I have been on many listserves and
admit I don't fully understand how a forum would be different than the
interaction shown on the A30 list when someone has a problem.
The thing that constantly amuses me is how, after someone expresses a
problem and various solutions are proposed, inevetibly the initial person
almost always resolves the problem with his first instinct. I guess there
are so many solutions to specific problems support for that initial
instinct can always be found.
Another observation expressed on another listserv is by the time a thread
has been responded to by about 7 times, the thread is played out. I have
found that to be mostly true, which again makes me question the real value
of an open forum.
I take your point about the difficulty of searching the archive. I did the
mast beam wiki, editing past posts, and it was time consuming. I wrote the
difficulty off to my ineptitude on things wiki, or perhaps computer in
general.
MichaelGrosh
#220
On Oct 19, 2012 8:02 PM, "Jeffrey" <fongemie at gmail.com> wrote:

> As much as I dislike stirring the pot here, I must admit that when I
> was considering getting an Alberg30 I found it difficult to go through
> the email list archives to pull information.  I ended up using Google
> advanced searches, and spent hours wandering through the lists in an
> effort to digest it all. When you search, the results are disconnected
> so you end up reading everything and grouping topics in your head, at
> least that's what I did.
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> If I had a choice, I'd much rather interact using a forum..for many
> reasons.   If used correctly, threaded discussions are easier to
> follow, and it is easier to describe something when you can add a
> picture to what you are typing. I could go on.   I build websites for
> a living  in the past I set up managed a few listservs and in recent
> years set up and loosely managed many of the popular forums
> applications and can say that a forum is no more difficult to manage
> than a listserv on a mail server.
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> One concern I have is that the information contained in the old Yahoo
> lists and the current list archive is backed up. That information is
> gold to a new Alberg owner.  I still look stuff up in the archives.
> Are there separate backups of the archives?
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> I don't intend to slight this list or the website in any way.  I'm
> grateful for the list and website as a resource..just offering my
> opinion.
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> Jeff Fongemie
> #116 Seagrass
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> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 6:00 PM, j_l_brown <j_l_brown at shaw.ca> wrote:
> > There are already forums, from the alberg section on sail net to the
> > Plastic classic forum.  The last thing needed is yet another one boat
> only half dead forum where no one posts.  If a collective decision could be
> made to redirect interested people to one sub forum specifically that works
> already that would maximize participation.   I looked at all of those and
> read archives here for months before signing  up.    A move to one of them
> vs starting yet another forum that will remain half active at best makes a
> lot of sense.  The list archives are challenging to navigate as is the site
> and wiki, mast support beam repairs for example, there is no one location
> with links to all, but several different pages that don't link to each
> other reciprocally.  In the end the best instructions were on the list, yet
> they are not on the site anywhere i could .  The list of alberg 30s and
> owners is interesting but I can find no info about the boat I have now,
> including my own info last I checked though I found traces of at least one
> other owner on forums.
> > I have a ton of projects I'd be happy to post pictures of but the
> complications in doing so here mean I don't really tend to.
> >
> > A lot of work goes into the site and list I'm sure but it's confusing vs
> a  standardized forum where it is easier to contribute.  The tremendous
> refit by Chrisncate on
> > Sail net comes to mind.
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> > Samsung Mobilempcylinderheads at gmail.com wrote:My boat means more to me
> than any association could bring. I don't put a dollar value on my boat. I
> am sure deticated Triton owner could careless of a dollar value. I bet
> those boats mean more to them today than when the assoc was up and
> running....Pretty bold!!
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: George Dinwiddie <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>
> > Sender: public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.orgDate: Fri, 19 Oct 2012
> 16:58:16
> > To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all<public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > Reply-To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Circumnavigations
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> > Hi Mr. Cylinder Head (or whatever your name might be),
> >
> > On 10/19/12 4:19 PM, mpcylinderheads at gmail.com wrote:
> >> I would become a member of association if website was more organized
> >> and had a forum. I see no benefit to being a member with the web
> >> pages and outdated website
> >
> > I'm sorry you don't like the website, but it's not owned by the
> > Association. It, and the mailing lists, are services I provide at no
> > charge. In fact, I even let the Association sell ads on the website at
> > no charge. So don't let the website be an impediment to joining the
> > Association, assuming you own an Alberg 30.
> >
> > Membership in the Alberg 30 Association is the cheapest thing an Alberg
> > 30 owner can buy to maintain the value of their boat. It's having an
> > active class association that keeps the boat values up. Look how the
> > value of a Pearson Triton fell when the Triton Associations started to
> > dwindle. Having a collection of people who are knowledgeable about the
> > boat, who can and will help others deal with the inevitable maintenance
> > issues, and who use the boat actively is an incredible boon to boat
> owners.
> >
> > I'd be interested in knowing how you think it could be better organized,
> > but I have no interest in the additional labor it would take to manage
> > an online forum.
> >
> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > <chuckle> Talk about outdated. ;-) I hope that RIM stays in business for
> > you.
> >
> >   - George
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> >   ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >    When I remember bygone days                         George Dinwiddie
> >    I think how evening follows morn;            gdinwiddie at alberg30.org
> >    So many I loved were not yet dead,           http://www.Alberg30.org
> >    So many I love were not yet born.                          also see:
> >                 'The Middle' by Ogden Nash     http://idiacomputing.com
> >   ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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