[Public-List] Deck Painting

[James Allocco]

Thank you all, Bill, Joe, Chris, Glenn, Gordon, Richard and Mike,

There was so much valuable information beginning with painting the skid
areas first and letting it cure before doing the non skid with Kiwigrip,
how to repair the spider cracks, what products to use, etc. I appreciate
all the time spent to provide such thorough information.

I did speak to someone at Kiwigrip to inquire about tinting and using it
over the diamond pattern. he is forwarding me the info on tinting which I
will share soon. He said that I could experiment with  it on the diamond
pattern and if not happy could remove it with water and a wire brush within
2-3 days of application.

Thanks again,
Jim Allocco


On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Mike Lehman <sail_505 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Jim
>
> Here's what we did on #655..
>
> First the was significant delamination on the after deck and cockpit sole
> and a few small areas on other places which had to be re-cored and re-
> glassed.
>
> There were just a few spider cracks elsewhere and they were minor. We used
> System 3 Quick Fair as a fairing compound when needed. I highly recommend
> this product...it is simply the best.
>
> We removed all of the deck hardware. We thoroughly cleaned the decks with
> a combination of products ranging from soap and water to lacquer thinner.
> The we applied 2 coats of System 3 yacht primer. Also highly recommended
> product. Sanding between coats.
>
> After all of the prep was complete we hired a pro team that to spray
> Awlgrip. Because the prep was done and the boat was completely masked, it
> was easy for them to shoot the deck. We had scaffolding all around the
> boat. 2-3 coats of Awlgrip shot by pros over multiple days only cost $1500
> plus materials. They concentrated on the smooth areas with a light coat on
> the non skid areas.
>
> After the Awlgrip cured we started masking off the non skid areas for the
> kiwi grip. I should mention that this particular boat did not have a
> diamond pattern, instead it was textured gel coat. We started the kiwi grip
> on the after deck one section at a time. Kiwi grip takes a little practice,
> but is easy to apply. Once a section was complete, we immediately pulled
> the tape before the paint dried...important.
>
> After about a week we started reinstalling the hardware.
>
> I tried kiwi grip on my own Alberg #505 which has the diamond pattern. I
> tested painting over the diamond patter on the compass cover. Its horrible.
> You will need to "knock down' the diamond pattern. Not all the way smooth,
> but enough so the kiwi grip can hide the pattern. Test a small piece like
> the compass cover to see how much sanding is needed. After my test, I kiwi
> gripped my sea hood and it can out great. I plan to do my entire boat.
> We used awlgrip white and cream colored kiwi grip. It is beautiful. I will
> send George so pics for the website.
>
> It took months from start to finish including the deck repairs. As a
> gauge...we used 13 rolls of tape. One gallon of kiwi will do the whole boat.
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
> From: "James Allocco" <jamesallocco at gmail.com>
> Sent: August 21, 2013 6:52 PM
> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> >
> Subject: [Public-List] Deck Painting
>
> Fellow Albergers,
>
> I was reminded by Mike Lehman's restoration project that I have been
> thinking of painting my decks. The decks are solid with no soft spots or
> delamination but there are spider cracks, mostly around the stanchion and
> pulpit bases.
> I had added backup plates under the stanchions but neglected the
> pulpits.The nonskid areas are in good condition but are faded and need
> attention. The white gelcoat between the non skid has worn away and
> shows the fiberglass underneath in some spots.
>
> Having read the testimonials of Kiwigrip my wish is to use it to paint the
> nonskid and use a 2 part paint such as Awlgrip on the rest of the deck.
>
> I have some questions on how to proceed and would greatly appreciate any
> advice you anyone might have.
>
> What is the best way to repair the spider cracks show they don't show
> through?
>
>  I have only worked with epoxy but would polyester fillers be better suited
> for repair?
>
> As the diamond pattern is in reasonably good condition is it necessary to
> sand/grind it smooth before applying the kiwigrip? What other prep might be
> necessary?
>
> What 2part paint do most of you recommend?
>
> Thanks for any information you could provide.
> Jim Allocco
> #565
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