[Public-List] Stern squat.

Fri Feb 15 08:49:49 PST 2013

The Odyssey has lead ballast (my spec sheet lists 4,200 lbs) and is a
masthead (not fractional) rig. I have a 1965 article describing the
then-complete hull plug construction, but I don't know to what extent the
Odyssey influenced the Alberg 30 (or vice-versa).

Any other Odyssey owners on the list?

Joe
1969 Odyssey 30 yawl, currently berthed Ventura CA

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote:

> I think the Odyssey had the fractional rig and denser ballast?  It would
> make sense that Alberg would modify something for the new project which he
> already considered a success.
>
>
> On 15/02/13 11:24 AM, "Jason S" <mpcylinderheads at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I typed it into Google and I guess I read it on alberg30.org....
> > Seems our boats were based off a similar designed boat called the Odyssey
> > which was designed for heavy weather of SF bay and the pacific.....by
> Carl
> > Alberg
> > On Feb 15, 2013 11:00 AM, "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Sorry, no basis for that one.
> >>
> >> Actually they were designed for the light air in Western Lake
> Ontario....
> >> And that's partly why the less dense iron ballast seemed acceptable.
>  The
> >> loss of stiffness due slightly higher centre of gravity didn't seem to
> >> matter so much...
> >>
> >> G
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 15/02/13 10:58 AM, "Jason S" <mpcylinderheads at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> What is the story with the A30 and San Fransisco bay? I thought I read
> >>> somewhere where it was based off or designed for SF bay.......just
> >> curious
> >>> On Feb 15, 2013 10:51 AM, "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi -
> >>>>
> >>>> Hansen and Alberg collaborated on the design at the request of the
> >> Canadian
> >>>> Folkboat Association based in Toronto, who wanted a larger boat than
> the
> >>>> Folkboat.  However, the part about the engine is partly true; the boat
> >> was
> >>>> designed for an engine, but the Grey Marine and Atomic IV is somewhat
> >>>> larger
> >>>> and heavier than Alberg might have had in mind. The ballast story is
> >> true;
> >>>> iron is much cheaper and that's why we got it.  Folkboats use iron,
> and
> >>>> Kurt
> >>>> was comfortable with it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Gord #426 Surprise
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 15/02/13 10:45 AM, "David Gilbert" <bigkanu at rogers.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Big Kanu is # 620 and sports a liner; one of the newer ones if you
> can
> >>>>> call a boat built in 1977 "newer". I have heard that Carl Alberg
> >>>>> designed the 30 at the request of some sailors in the Chesapeake Bay
> >>>>> and that it was designed without an engine. Kurt Hansen, being smart
> >>>>> enough to recognize the potential, installed an engine without
> >>>>> altering the ballast - ergo, she squats. Last year at launch, well
> >>>>> before the mast was reinstalled, I had members come to me in a panic
> >>>>> because they thought the boat was taking on water.
> >>>>> David
> >>>>> On 14-Feb-13, at 11:27 PM, Jeremy Brown wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>> As I finish up some projects and spend more time actually relaxing
> >>>>>> on the boat I'm noticing some things that bug me that I would like
> >>>>>> to fix soon.   One of the biggest is the squat at the stern.  While
> >>>>>> I do need to empty the aft lockers, and currently have nothing up
> >>>>>> front, it seems to me that it squats a bit even when totally empty.
> >>>>>> One thing I have noticed is that the mast is slid as far it will go
> >>>>>> aft on it's bolts.  Could I move it forward?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Has anybody added permanent weight up forward?  I have a Yanmar
> >>>>>> 2GM20F, and tank under the cockpit sole, as well as the port locker
> >>>>>> containing my house battery bank, even with empty lockers she sits a
> >>>>>> little bit heavy aft.
> >>>>>> I'm thinking either poured in place concrete(broken up into smaller
> >>>>>> sections with 3/8$ foam, with a hard plastic layer on top of 1/2"
> >>>>>> closed cell foam to make it easy to remove if needed, and to protect
> >>>>>> the hull, or lead(shot in bags).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'd like to get the bow down a couple inches, it's not the end of
> >>>>>> the world if I can't but it does bug me a fair bit.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jeremy
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