[Public-List] Jyb track location on foredeck

Gordon Laco mainstay at csolve.net
Wed Jan 29 13:01:58 PST 2014 

Hello Kris - 

I think the rail tracks are immensely stronger than the mid-deck ones.

I've wondered about those mid deck tracks.  I has not escaped my notice that
Danish-built Folkboats had forward jib tracks in just the same place and
just the same angle.  I don't doubt that Kurt Hansen, who was Danish, and a
Folkboat man, liked those mid deck tracks and carried them from the Folkboat
to the A30.

And guess where the Danes are putting those tracks now?  On the coach roof
edge...even further inboard, but at a stronger point in the boat's structure

Gord #426 Surprise 


On 29/01/14 3:58 PM, "Kris Coward" <kris at melon.org> wrote:

> 
> Hrmmm, I do have those movable eyes out on the toe rail that aren't
> doing anything other than "attachment point for spring lines" at
> present; I should rig the vang bottoms to shoe this season, and see how
> the boat likes it... (maybe keep the inboard tracks for attaching spring
> lines for now)
> 
> -K
> 
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 12:26:18PM -0500, John Birch wrote:
>> Kris, used to have a split vang setup that way until sleeping in the
>> pilot berth on our A37, woke up in big seas and watching the deck
>> pump. Split vang is now also sited out on the toe rail.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Coward" <kris at melon.org>
>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Jyb track location on foredeck
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> I could've sworn those tracks are there for a split vang--at least
>>> that's how Candy Cane is rigged. Functions quite nicely as a preventer
>>> too. The lack of support concerns me a bit but so far it's just enough
>>> to add a backing plate to support all those nuts over a larger area than
>>> their washers (still nicely concealed by the teak cover which BTW can
>>> now screw into the plates instead of directly to the deck). The things I
>>> get up to when fixing leaks...
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Kris
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 11:08:44AM -0500, John Birch wrote:
>>>> Think one needs to ask oneself, how much pointing do you do in heavy
>>>> seas and big wind. I for one, foot to maintain boat speed and
>>>> control and crab to weather.
>>>> 
>>>> The factory jib track location on A-30s and A-37's is problematic,
>>>> as it is on unsupported deck. They are both built the same.
>>>> 
>>>> We always now carry either our rolled # 1 or purpose Built # 3 (105%
>>>> blade jib) sheeted to the toe rail track which is well supported.
>>>> 
>>>> Go to weather like the dickens on flat water in wind and foot in the
>>>> heavy wave situations.
>>>> 
>>>> Personally, I wouldn't bother installing / reinstalling the inside
>>>> tracks. Just another place for leaks, and as I said above, its an
>>>> unsupported section.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> 
>>>> John
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Brooks"
>>>> <brooks.glenn at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:48 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Jyb track location on foredeck
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Bill and David, thanks for your most recent comments and the
>>>>> photos. Also many thanks to others on the list who who offered
>>>>> information and feedback and photos.   For some reason Dolce
>>>>> appears never to have had the jyb tracks installed. Rather like
>>>>> Gord's has done on Surprise, there where extra cars on the toe
>>>>> rail, which I assume now where used for jyb sheets, although not
>>>>> allowing as much pointing ability.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think I will experiment with sheeting angles using blocks on the
>>>>> forward edge of the toe rail, as Gord mentioned his inboard sheets
>>>>> abraid against the lowers when sailing off the wind.  Also I
>>>>> realized I probably  don't need to be beating into 35 kts with
>>>>> anything other than my 25 hp diesel!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Glenn B.
>>>>> Dolce 318
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 7:25 AM, Bill Woodford
>>>>>> <williamwoodford at charleswoodford.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Glenn,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On US 11, my jib track is as David described.  While I don't
>>>> have >>precise
>>>>>> measurements, I found a couple photos I can send to you that may help.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I will say that I have yet to be successful sailing the 100%
>>>> jib.  It >>is
>>>>>> probably operator error and that fact that I rarely use the small jib.
>>>>>> However, you may wish to talk with some others about a different
>>>>>> placement
>>>>>> of the track.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Good luck,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Woody
>>>>>> US 11
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 9:33 AM, David Terrell
>>>>>> <dterrell1 at charter.net>wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Glenn
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I found a picture of the jib track as it was when I purchased
>>>> the >>>boat.
>>>>>>> They are located near the forward port in the salon. they are
>>>>>>> positioned
>>>>>>> with the forward end closer to the cabin than the aft end is.
>>>>>>> I will scan
>>>>>>> the picture and send it to you. I may have the original tracks
>>>>>>> if you are
>>>>>>> interested.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> David, 432
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Glenn Brooks wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>> I am thinking of mounting working jyb tracks on my side
>>>> decks near >>>>the
>>>>>>>> front of the cabin or rear foredeck.  Has anybody done this
>>>>>>>> and if so how
>>>>>>>> far forward of the lowers and inboard should they bolted to the deck?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks much,
>>>>>>>> Glenn Dolce  #318
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
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