[Public-List] Check that standing rigging-- especially this kind of terminal

Tue Jul 15 08:01:15 PDT 2014

http://www.sanlo.com/index.php?id=16

This is what I usually call a swagged end fitting, it's typically done in a
shop and is more expensive than nico press

On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Wes Gardner <wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> That is a nico press fitting that can be done with a tool that looks sorta
> like a bolt cutter.  Nico press sleeves are inexpensive and fairly easy to
> find.   Use a thimble like they did in the photo.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Jeffrey via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
>> I'm unfamiliar with these fittings. Can anybody provide a link to a photo
>> of one??
>>
>> Does the fitting look like this?
>>
>>
>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/Wire_rope_with_thimble_and_ferrule.jpg
>>
>> -Jeff
>>
>>
>> Seagrass. #116
>> Boothbay Harbor, Maine
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>>
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>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Glenn Brooks via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Randy,  your paint job sounds like it came out nice.  These nico
>> press
>> > fittings and thimble ends were the only wire you could get in Alaska
>> during
>> > the 70's and 80's- widely used and made up with no issues on hundreds if
>> > not thousands of sailboats and commercial fishing boats.  No one had
>> > swaging machines locally in those days, so this is all you could get.
>> My
>> > old 62' wood ketch was rigged this way, and also had some really old
>> hand
>> > made wire splices looped around the mast.  The thimbles and swagged
>> > fittings never failed, even when the wire strands started to break.
>>  It's
>> > probably good to change them out, but there is plenty of history of
>> > successful service with this design and I am sure you where never at
>> risk -
>> > whereas swayed fittings (shipped in from Seattle) of that era failed
>> > regularly at a given age, and probably still do.   Sta lok or hi mod are
>> > undoubtedly superior to all, even though more way expensive.
>> >
>> > BTW, I saw a guy in Everett Marina today working on some sailboat
>> masthead
>> > with a small boom truck and gantry.  Owner was sunning himself on the
>> deck
>> > whilst the guy in the gantry replaced wires.  So at least one local
>> rigger
>> >  makes house calls.
>> >
>> > Glenn
>> > Dolce 318
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPad
>> >
>> > > On Jul 14, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Randy Katz via Public-List <
>> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Greetings, All,
>> > >
>> > > Besides the painting upgrade, I was able to meet up with Don Yager of
>> > Yager
>> > > Sails  (in Spokane, WA. at http://www.yagersails.com/). He makes
>> > occasional
>> > > trips to Bellingham where we keep the boat, this time to deliver a new
>> > sail
>> > > to a customer there. He generously offered to take a look at my
>> Profurl
>> > set
>> > > up to advise re: the life expectancy of the forestay.
>> > >
>> > > The forestay's good for a few more years, but he pointed out one thing
>> > that
>> > > I was REALLY glad to hear about-- this is especially relevant to some
>> of
>> > us
>> > > with older boats. (Well, I guess that's ALL of us, eh?)
>> > >
>> > > While the lower ends of all the rigging had a variation of a Norseman
>> > > mechanical compression fitting, the upper ends nearly all consist of
>> wire
>> > > wrapped around a SS thimble and crimped with Nico-press types of
>> fitting.
>> > > Don declared these to be no-no's and dangerous, to replace right away.
>> > This
>> > > thought was seconded by Pete, the rigging expert at Fishery Supply in
>> > > Seattle. Raised eyebrows all around!
>> > >
>> > > So, we're dropping the mast tomorrow in order to remove all that stuff
>> > and
>> > > replace it with wire from Fisheries Supply. Chinese-made wire is,
>> > > apparently, to be completely avoided. US-made is best, though it can
>> be
>> > > hard to find. (I checked with a dozen places in western WA and found
>> one
>> > or
>> > > two sources: West Marine-- expensive-- and NW Rigging in Anacortes at
>> > about
>> > > half the price. Let me know if you'd like a copy of my notes about
>> this.
>> > Or
>> > > photos of the fittings.)
>> > >
>> > > We're going with Fishery Supplies Korean wire made by KOS but stranded
>> > > together in the US. A good reputation, supposedly.
>> > >
>> > > You may want to check you own rigging to be sure you don't have those
>> > > crimped terminals. (The rigging is not original; it spent some years
>> in
>> > > Portland, OR. before I bought it in 2000.)
>> > >
>> > > This puts the sailing trip back another week, but heck, I'm glad to
>> know
>> > of
>> > > it. I can only imagine how lucky we've been, having sailed through all
>> > > kinds of weather with those fittings over the last dozen years!
>> > >
>> > > Best Regards,
>> > >
>> > > Randy Katz
>> > > #249 Simple Gifts
>> > > Bellingham/Seattle
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