[Public-List] Check that standing rigging-- especially this kind of terminal

Tue Jul 15 10:52:34 PDT 2014

One last thing I did learn over the years from working in the yards, this
is particularly true for swagged fittings (those done on a swagging
machine), that if it looks at all suspicious on the outside, there's a VERY
good chance it's worse on the inside and should be replaced almost
immediately.  You'll see cracks developing...

On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Jeffrey via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> Thanks guys. This is good information.
>
> -Jeff
>
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> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Glenn via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > Typically when you swage wire you should turn the wire around a thimble
> or
> > deadeye of some kind.  I don't know what the recommended bending radius
> > should be , I suspect it's 5 to 1 or better.   that takes the bending
> > stress off the wire, hence the wire strands don't break before their
> time.
> >  If 5:1, 1/4'' wire would be turned around a 1 1/4" thimble.
> >
> > BTW,  I heard the wire manufacturers recommend replacing wire Every seven
> > years, although a San Francisco rigging shop that does a lot of Pacific
> Cup
> > and Transpac Race boats said they have seem some serviceable wire that
> was
> > 12 years old- which they replaced.  A guy on a Cal 25 next to me in the
> > Marina has 25 year old wire - nothing's broke yet he says,  waiting for
> > next year to replace!  Iam thinking Wow, how's that for living on the
> edge.
> >
> > Glenn
> > Dolce 318
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jul 15, 2014, at 8:06 AM, Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > They're still used in architectural and commercial marine applications,
> > both
> > > fields where their integrity is trusted.
> > >
> > > Mike's correct about the turn' but of course one can inspect the
> strands
> > in
> > > the turn.
> > >
> > > Surprise has nicropress's at the top of her all her shrouds.  The
> > forestay
> > > and backstay have been replaced; I swaged them.  I use Blue Wave
> > swageless
> > > terminals on the bottoms.
> > >
> > > Gord #426 Surprise
> > >
> > >
> > > On 15/07/14 10:55 AM, "Mike Lehman via Public-List"
> > > <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Randy
> > >>
> > >> Glenn is correct. The nicro press fittings don't fail. It is not
> desired
> > >> because the wire needs to make a tight turn and eventually a strand in
> > the
> > >> wire breaks...that requires immediate attention.
> > >>
> > >> Mike Lehman
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ------ Original message------
> > >> From: Glenn Brooks via Public-List
> > >> Date: Mon, Jul 14, 2014 6:43 PM
> > >> To: Randy Katz;Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all;
> > >> Subject:Re: [Public-List] Check that standing rigging-- especially
> this
> > kind
> > >> of terminal
> > >> Hi Randy,  your paint job sounds like it came out nice.  These nico
> > press
> > >> fittings and thimble ends were the only wire you could get in Alaska
> > during
> > >> the 70's and 80's- widely used and made up with no issues on hundreds
> > if not
> > >> thousands of sailboats and commercial fishing boats.  No one had
> swaging
> > >> machines locally in those days, so this is all you could get.   My old
> > 62'
> > >> wood ketch was rigged this way, and also had some really old hand made
> > wire
> > >> splices looped around the mast.  The thimbles and swagged fittings
> never
> > >> failed, even when the wire strands started to break.  It's probably
> > good to
> > >> change them out, but there is plenty of history of successful service
> > with
> > >> this design and I am sure you where never at risk - whereas swayed
> > fittings
> > >> (shipped in from Seattle) of that era failed regularly at a given age,
> > and
> > >> probably still do.   Sta lok or hi mod are undoubtedly superior to
> all,
> > even
> > >> though more way expensive.
> > >>
> > >> BTW, I saw a guy in Everett Marina today working on some sailboat
> > masthead
> > >> with a small boom truck and gantry.  Owner was sunning himself on the
> > deck
> > >> whilst the guy in the gantry replaced wires.  So at least one local
> > rigger
> > >> makes house calls.
> > >>
> > >> Glenn
> > >> Dolce 318
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPad
> > >>
> > >>> On Jul 14, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Randy Katz via Public-List
> > >>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Greetings, All,
> > >>>
> > >>> Besides the painting upgrade, I was able to meet up with Don Yager of
> > Yager
> > >>> Sails  (in Spokane, WA. at http://www.yagersails.com/). He makes
> > occasional
> > >>> trips to Bellingham where we keep the boat, this time to deliver a
> new
> > sail
> > >>> to a customer there. He generously offered to take a look at my
> > Profurl set
> > >>> up to advise re: the life expectancy of the forestay.
> > >>>
> > >>> The forestay's good for a few more years, but he pointed out one
> thing
> > that
> > >>> I was REALLY glad to hear about-- this is especially relevant to some
> > of us
> > >>> with older boats. (Well, I guess that's ALL of us, eh?)
> > >>>
> > >>> While the lower ends of all the rigging had a variation of a Norseman
> > >>> mechanical compression fitting, the upper ends nearly all consist of
> > wire
> > >>> wrapped around a SS thimble and crimped with Nico-press types of
> > fitting.
> > >>> Don declared these to be no-no's and dangerous, to replace right
> away.
> > This
> > >>> thought was seconded by Pete, the rigging expert at Fishery Supply in
> > >>> Seattle. Raised eyebrows all around!
> > >>>
> > >>> So, we're dropping the mast tomorrow in order to remove all that
> stuff
> > and
> > >>> replace it with wire from Fisheries Supply. Chinese-made wire is,
> > >>> apparently, to be completely avoided. US-made is best, though it can
> be
> > >>> hard to find. (I checked with a dozen places in western WA and found
> > one or
> > >>> two sources: West Marine-- expensive-- and NW Rigging in Anacortes at
> > about
> > >>> half the price. Let me know if you'd like a copy of my notes about
> > this. Or
> > >>> photos of the fittings.)
> > >>>
> > >>> We're going with Fishery Supplies Korean wire made by KOS but
> stranded
> > >>> together in the US. A good reputation, supposedly.
> > >>>
> > >>> You may want to check you own rigging to be sure you don't have those
> > >>> crimped terminals. (The rigging is not original; it spent some years
> in
> > >>> Portland, OR. before I bought it in 2000.)
> > >>>
> > >>> This puts the sailing trip back another week, but heck, I'm glad to
> > know of
> > >>> it. I can only imagine how lucky we've been, having sailed through
> all
> > >>> kinds of weather with those fittings over the last dozen years!
> > >>>
> > >>> Best Regards,
> > >>>
> > >>> Randy Katz
> > >>> #249 Simple Gifts
> > >>> Bellingham/Seattle
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