[Public-List] Check that standing rigging-- especially this kind of terminal

Tue Jul 15 09:58:57 PDT 2014

Thanks guys. This is good information.

-Jeff

Seagrass. #116
Boothbay Harbor, Maine
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On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Glenn via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> Typically when you swage wire you should turn the wire around a thimble or
> deadeye of some kind.  I don't know what the recommended bending radius
> should be , I suspect it's 5 to 1 or better.   that takes the bending
> stress off the wire, hence the wire strands don't break before their time.
>  If 5:1, 1/4'' wire would be turned around a 1 1/4" thimble.
>
> BTW,  I heard the wire manufacturers recommend replacing wire Every seven
> years, although a San Francisco rigging shop that does a lot of Pacific Cup
> and Transpac Race boats said they have seem some serviceable wire that was
> 12 years old- which they replaced.  A guy on a Cal 25 next to me in the
> Marina has 25 year old wire - nothing's broke yet he says,  waiting for
> next year to replace!  Iam thinking Wow, how's that for living on the edge.
>
> Glenn
> Dolce 318
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 15, 2014, at 8:06 AM, Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > They're still used in architectural and commercial marine applications,
> both
> > fields where their integrity is trusted.
> >
> > Mike's correct about the turn' but of course one can inspect the strands
> in
> > the turn.
> >
> > Surprise has nicropress's at the top of her all her shrouds.  The
> forestay
> > and backstay have been replaced; I swaged them.  I use Blue Wave
> swageless
> > terminals on the bottoms.
> >
> > Gord #426 Surprise
> >
> >
> > On 15/07/14 10:55 AM, "Mike Lehman via Public-List"
> > <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Randy
> >>
> >> Glenn is correct. The nicro press fittings don't fail. It is not desired
> >> because the wire needs to make a tight turn and eventually a strand in
> the
> >> wire breaks...that requires immediate attention.
> >>
> >> Mike Lehman
> >>
> >>
> >> ------ Original message------
> >> From: Glenn Brooks via Public-List
> >> Date: Mon, Jul 14, 2014 6:43 PM
> >> To: Randy Katz;Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all;
> >> Subject:Re: [Public-List] Check that standing rigging-- especially this
> kind
> >> of terminal
> >> Hi Randy,  your paint job sounds like it came out nice.  These nico
> press
> >> fittings and thimble ends were the only wire you could get in Alaska
> during
> >> the 70's and 80's- widely used and made up with no issues on hundreds
> if not
> >> thousands of sailboats and commercial fishing boats.  No one had swaging
> >> machines locally in those days, so this is all you could get.   My old
> 62'
> >> wood ketch was rigged this way, and also had some really old hand made
> wire
> >> splices looped around the mast.  The thimbles and swagged fittings never
> >> failed, even when the wire strands started to break.  It's probably
> good to
> >> change them out, but there is plenty of history of successful service
> with
> >> this design and I am sure you where never at risk - whereas swayed
> fittings
> >> (shipped in from Seattle) of that era failed regularly at a given age,
> and
> >> probably still do.   Sta lok or hi mod are undoubtedly superior to all,
> even
> >> though more way expensive.
> >>
> >> BTW, I saw a guy in Everett Marina today working on some sailboat
> masthead
> >> with a small boom truck and gantry.  Owner was sunning himself on the
> deck
> >> whilst the guy in the gantry replaced wires.  So at least one local
> rigger
> >> makes house calls.
> >>
> >> Glenn
> >> Dolce 318
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>> On Jul 14, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Randy Katz via Public-List
> >>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Greetings, All,
> >>>
> >>> Besides the painting upgrade, I was able to meet up with Don Yager of
> Yager
> >>> Sails  (in Spokane, WA. at http://www.yagersails.com/). He makes
> occasional
> >>> trips to Bellingham where we keep the boat, this time to deliver a new
> sail
> >>> to a customer there. He generously offered to take a look at my
> Profurl set
> >>> up to advise re: the life expectancy of the forestay.
> >>>
> >>> The forestay's good for a few more years, but he pointed out one thing
> that
> >>> I was REALLY glad to hear about-- this is especially relevant to some
> of us
> >>> with older boats. (Well, I guess that's ALL of us, eh?)
> >>>
> >>> While the lower ends of all the rigging had a variation of a Norseman
> >>> mechanical compression fitting, the upper ends nearly all consist of
> wire
> >>> wrapped around a SS thimble and crimped with Nico-press types of
> fitting.
> >>> Don declared these to be no-no's and dangerous, to replace right away.
> This
> >>> thought was seconded by Pete, the rigging expert at Fishery Supply in
> >>> Seattle. Raised eyebrows all around!
> >>>
> >>> So, we're dropping the mast tomorrow in order to remove all that stuff
> and
> >>> replace it with wire from Fisheries Supply. Chinese-made wire is,
> >>> apparently, to be completely avoided. US-made is best, though it can be
> >>> hard to find. (I checked with a dozen places in western WA and found
> one or
> >>> two sources: West Marine-- expensive-- and NW Rigging in Anacortes at
> about
> >>> half the price. Let me know if you'd like a copy of my notes about
> this. Or
> >>> photos of the fittings.)
> >>>
> >>> We're going with Fishery Supplies Korean wire made by KOS but stranded
> >>> together in the US. A good reputation, supposedly.
> >>>
> >>> You may want to check you own rigging to be sure you don't have those
> >>> crimped terminals. (The rigging is not original; it spent some years in
> >>> Portland, OR. before I bought it in 2000.)
> >>>
> >>> This puts the sailing trip back another week, but heck, I'm glad to
> know of
> >>> it. I can only imagine how lucky we've been, having sailed through all
> >>> kinds of weather with those fittings over the last dozen years!
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Randy Katz
> >>> #249 Simple Gifts
> >>> Bellingham/Seattle
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