[Public-List] Electronic Ignition

Wehicks via Public-List public-list at lists.alberg30.org
Mon Oct 13 10:17:16 PDT 2014


I sell the ignition and the rest of the motor if any one wants it cause I put a brand new beta 20 in mine. Running but look rough when I took out. 
Walter. 

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> On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Mike Lehman via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> 
> I have a set for the Atomic 4 if you want them, but they would be difficult to change while underway or even at anchor
> 
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> 
> 
> ~~~_/)_/)~~ Mike Lehman ~~_/)~~~
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> -----Original Message----- From: George Dinwiddie via Public-List
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:31 AM
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Electronic Ignition
> 
> Personally, I don't envision a large disaster due to automotive ignition
> failure, even on the beltway. The difference is that I can walk away if
> my car stalls.
> 
> Perhaps I should carry spare head gaskets on the boat.
> 
> - George
> 
>> On 10/13/14 10:15 AM, Meinhold, Mike J. via Public-List wrote:
>> I guess I pictured a larger disaster - a many car pileup and death
>> and injury. The point is not choosing one over the other, but saying
>> if you accept the risk and consequences of driving with EI, why not
>> accept the lower risk and lesser consequences of sailing with EI.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lawrence Morris [mailto:morris.lc at verizon.net]
>> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 6:51 AM
>> To: Meinhold, Mike J.; Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>> Cc: crufone at comcast.net
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Electronic Ignition
>> 
>> I gotta say I would much rather deal with an ignition failure on the
>> beltway, rather than trying to keep my boat off the rocks.
>> 
>> My 2 cents
>> 
>> Larry
>> Solstice 501
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Larry
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Oct 10, 2014, at 6:49 AM, "Meinhold, Mike J. via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Interesting discussion of risk and mitigations.
>>> 
>>> Self-reliance is an important philosophy for me also, but it has
>>> limits.  An  impeller failure shuts down your engine though not as
>>> fast as ignition failure. You mitigate this risk by changing your
>>> impeller sufficiently often, but you cannot eliminate it. The
>>> ignitor has a very high "mean-time-between-fallure" that justifies
>>> changing it out at engine overhaul periods perhaps. Belts,
>>> condenser, plug wires, alternator are all similar- spares and
>>> regular replacement are all you can do..
>>> 
>>> The electronic ignition in my car sees much more use and many more
>>> critical situations than the one in my boat.   if the ignition
>>> failed in the car  while driving 65 MPH in the center lane of the
>>> DC beltway I think the result would be more disastrous then going
>>> up on the rocks in the boat.  If it is low enough risk and effect
>>> for the car, is it not low enough risk and effect for the boat?
>>> 
>>> Maybe it's the other way round and driving is even riskier than I
>>> thought!
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> Rinn Duin #272
>>> 
>>> Michael J. Meinhold
>>> Senior Naval Architect, Leidos, Inc.
>>> 4321 Collington Road, Bowie, MD 21076
>>> michael.j.meinhold at leidos.com
>>> 301 352 4734 office  240 350 6974 cell
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Michael Connolly via Public-List [mailto:public-list at lists.alberg30.org]
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 09:56 AM
>>> To: Bill Newman <newman423 at rogers.com>; Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Electronic Ignition
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> Seems to me this maybe is a philosophical decision.  Sailors, due
>>> to the nature of what they do, strive for self reliance.  Do you as
>>> captain wish to retain as much ability to get yourself out of a fix
>>> as possible or are you looking for low or no maintenance?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Same goes for the dripless stuffing box seals. Usually when they
>>> fail they can't be adjusted or fixed to keep the water out.
>>> Whereas the traditional stuffing box can be usually be fooled with
>>> to keep the boat from taking on water.
>>> 
>>> I also am in firm belief that installing fool proof, no
>>> maintenance, not requiring service components on a boat is inviting
>>> laziness.  The captain may get some false sense of security and
>>> fail to perform his regular maintenance/inspection schedule.
>>> 
>>> According to "Murphy" your ignition system, whether points or
>>> electronic, will fail when most needed, e.g., blowing onto a lee
>>> shore, etc., fill in your own tight situation.
>>> 
>>> Having a spare set of points or electronic module is not going to
>>> keep you off the rocks. Hopefully you have good ground tackle
>>> aboard to deploy.
>>> 
>>> I really believe the decision depends on what type of sailing you
>>> do and where you sail. How able you are to make the repair and to
>>> the degree you wish keep on top of regular maintenance and be self
>>> sufficient?
>>> 
>>> I installed electronic ignition on a 1967 Volkswagen Beetle it
>>> worked fine. It may have been an improvement but it was not a
>>> panacea for any ignition problems.
>>> 
>>> My two cents,
>>> 
>>> Michael #133 Lorrie Rose
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> 
>>> From: "Bill Newman via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 4:51:58 PM
>>> Subject: [Public-List] Electronic Ignition
>>> 
>>> I have been looking at electronic igition for my old style Alberg
>>> engine and will appreciate any comments on the advantages and/or
>>> disadvantages of making this change.  For example is it more
>>> reliable and what do you do if it fails?
>>> 
>>> Bill Newman
>>> Marion Rose III
>>> newman423 at rogers.com
>>> 416-284-2474
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