[Public-List] Electronic Ignition

Mon Oct 13 12:40:06 PDT 2014

To Mike.
I'm glad it worked out so well for you super beetle. Since we respect your
opinion about so many issues concerning our boats the question I have is,
did you install electronic ignition on your boat?

Jim Allocco

On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Wehicks via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> I sell the ignition and the rest of the motor if any one wants it cause I
> put a brand new beta 20 in mine. Running but look rough when I took out.
> Walter.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Mike Lehman via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > I have a set for the Atomic 4 if you want them, but they would be
> difficult to change while underway or even at anchor
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ~~~_/)_/)~~ Mike Lehman ~~_/)~~~
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: George Dinwiddie via Public-List
> > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:31 AM
> > To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Electronic Ignition
> >
> > Personally, I don't envision a large disaster due to automotive ignition
> > failure, even on the beltway. The difference is that I can walk away if
> > my car stalls.
> >
> > Perhaps I should carry spare head gaskets on the boat.
> >
> > - George
> >
> >> On 10/13/14 10:15 AM, Meinhold, Mike J. via Public-List wrote:
> >> I guess I pictured a larger disaster - a many car pileup and death
> >> and injury. The point is not choosing one over the other, but saying
> >> if you accept the risk and consequences of driving with EI, why not
> >> accept the lower risk and lesser consequences of sailing with EI.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Lawrence Morris [mailto:morris.lc at verizon.net]
> >> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 6:51 AM
> >> To: Meinhold, Mike J.; Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> >> Cc: crufone at comcast.net
> >> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Electronic Ignition
> >>
> >> I gotta say I would much rather deal with an ignition failure on the
> >> beltway, rather than trying to keep my boat off the rocks.
> >>
> >> My 2 cents
> >>
> >> Larry
> >> Solstice 501
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Larry
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>> On Oct 10, 2014, at 6:49 AM, "Meinhold, Mike J. via Public-List" <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Interesting discussion of risk and mitigations.
> >>>
> >>> Self-reliance is an important philosophy for me also, but it has
> >>> limits.  An  impeller failure shuts down your engine though not as
> >>> fast as ignition failure. You mitigate this risk by changing your
> >>> impeller sufficiently often, but you cannot eliminate it. The
> >>> ignitor has a very high "mean-time-between-fallure" that justifies
> >>> changing it out at engine overhaul periods perhaps. Belts,
> >>> condenser, plug wires, alternator are all similar- spares and
> >>> regular replacement are all you can do..
> >>>
> >>> The electronic ignition in my car sees much more use and many more
> >>> critical situations than the one in my boat.   if the ignition
> >>> failed in the car  while driving 65 MPH in the center lane of the
> >>> DC beltway I think the result would be more disastrous then going
> >>> up on the rocks in the boat.  If it is low enough risk and effect
> >>> for the car, is it not low enough risk and effect for the boat?
> >>>
> >>> Maybe it's the other way round and driving is even riskier than I
> >>> thought!
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>> Rinn Duin #272
> >>>
> >>> Michael J. Meinhold
> >>> Senior Naval Architect, Leidos, Inc.
> >>> 4321 Collington Road, Bowie, MD 21076
> >>> michael.j.meinhold at leidos.com
> >>> 301 352 4734 office  240 350 6974 cell
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Michael Connolly via Public-List [mailto:
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org]
> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 09:56 AM
> >>> To: Bill Newman <newman423 at rogers.com>; Alberg 30 Public List -- open
> to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Electronic Ignition
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hello all,
> >>>
> >>> Seems to me this maybe is a philosophical decision.  Sailors, due
> >>> to the nature of what they do, strive for self reliance.  Do you as
> >>> captain wish to retain as much ability to get yourself out of a fix
> >>> as possible or are you looking for low or no maintenance?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Same goes for the dripless stuffing box seals. Usually when they
> >>> fail they can't be adjusted or fixed to keep the water out.
> >>> Whereas the traditional stuffing box can be usually be fooled with
> >>> to keep the boat from taking on water.
> >>>
> >>> I also am in firm belief that installing fool proof, no
> >>> maintenance, not requiring service components on a boat is inviting
> >>> laziness.  The captain may get some false sense of security and
> >>> fail to perform his regular maintenance/inspection schedule.
> >>>
> >>> According to "Murphy" your ignition system, whether points or
> >>> electronic, will fail when most needed, e.g., blowing onto a lee
> >>> shore, etc., fill in your own tight situation.
> >>>
> >>> Having a spare set of points or electronic module is not going to
> >>> keep you off the rocks. Hopefully you have good ground tackle
> >>> aboard to deploy.
> >>>
> >>> I really believe the decision depends on what type of sailing you
> >>> do and where you sail. How able you are to make the repair and to
> >>> the degree you wish keep on top of regular maintenance and be self
> >>> sufficient?
> >>>
> >>> I installed electronic ignition on a 1967 Volkswagen Beetle it
> >>> worked fine. It may have been an improvement but it was not a
> >>> panacea for any ignition problems.
> >>>
> >>> My two cents,
> >>>
> >>> Michael #133 Lorrie Rose
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>
> >>> From: "Bill Newman via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >>> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 4:51:58 PM
> >>> Subject: [Public-List] Electronic Ignition
> >>>
> >>> I have been looking at electronic igition for my old style Alberg
> >>> engine and will appreciate any comments on the advantages and/or
> >>> disadvantages of making this change.  For example is it more
> >>> reliable and what do you do if it fails?
> >>>
> >>> Bill Newman
> >>> Marion Rose III
> >>> newman423 at rogers.com
> >>> 416-284-2474
> >
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