[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3090, Issue 1
Stephen gwyn via Public-List
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Tue Aug 18 14:15:04 PDT 2015
I've gone through a series of ignition switches, all of which suck
for one reason or another. Some wouldn't turn on when needed due
to corrosion. One kept turning itself off because of a weak
spring/detente. Both of these problems can be solved
temporarily hotwiring the engine. The current switch has lasted
longer than average and is a Cole-Hersee with a rubber boot over
the keyhole. When it fails, I'll be looking at toggle switch
for the ignition and a push button for the start, both
submersibly waterproof. The keyhole is the problem.
SG
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> 1. Ignition Switch Replacement (Jonathan Bresler via Public-List)
> 2. Re: Ignition Switch Replacement (Wes Gardner via Public-List)
> 3. Re: Ignition Switch Replacement (Gordon Laco via Public-List)
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> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:14:36 -0400
> From: Jonathan Bresler via Public-List
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> Folks,
>
> Which ignition switch do you use ?
> If you had to replace it, what would you choose ?
> The story below revolves around what appears to be a Cole Hersee M-550 with
> screw terminals (www.*colehersee*
> .com/assets/files/.../1303151353-CLH046-Marine-A.pdf)
>
> Had a little "experience" last week. During the evening of Monday August
> 10th, Mike Nikolich called to me to alert me that a buzzer/alarm was
> sounding on #262. Mike spent the time to explain to me fully what was
> going on, what he was seeing, check the bilge and bilge pump, try a couple
> moves for me, stabilize the issue. As is written in
> _The_First_50_Years_An_Alberg_30_History_, its the people! Thank you Mike!
> Its good to be docked near other Albergers.
>
> The previous week, and that weekend were fairly wet. Seems that on
> Monday, when I was at the boat, I left the main battery switch energized.
> The wet got into the ignition switch and shorted the "Off" position to the
> "IGN" position. Thank God not the "IGN/START" position!
>
> After some troubleshooting, I was able to verify that the switch is/was
> shorting by disconnecting everything from the switch but the power input
> from the batteries, placing a VOM from the IGN terminal to GND, turning the
> key to IGN and to OFF, and seeing that the voltage in the OFF position did
> not fall to zero. Rather in the OFF position, I was seeing a number of
> different voltages. Sometimes 1+V, sometimes 4+V, as high as 10V, all over
> the map, different each time I cycled the switch from OFF to IGN to OFF.
>
> Further verification, consisted of reattaching the rest of the leads, and
> watching the voltage on the IGN terminals slowly rise to about 1.5V, at
> which point the alarm would begin sounding. Cycling the switch to IGN and
> back to OFF would knock the voltage on the IGN terminal back down to zero.
> Over the next 30 to 75 seconds, the voltage would rise to 1.5V and the
> alarm would start sounding again.
>
> The above is the short version. Took notes while trying to figure out what
> was going on. Would be happy to share should any want to read the full
> version with various errors, detours and distractions.
>
> Thank you,
> Jonathan
>
> --
> Jonathan M Bresler
> Alberg 30 #262
> Annapolis/Eastport MD
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> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 16:50:17 -0400
> From: Wes Gardner via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> To: Jonathan Bresler <262alberg30 at gmail.com>, Alberg 30 Public List
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Ignition Switch Replacement
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> Hey All,
>
> Mine's a panel mounted push-button...but since my engine is locked up,
> doesn't really do much...:-( Honestly, I'm not certain I want a
> key-switch, yes I have been in a position where getting to the start switch
> need to be done right away, having a key that could get lost or broken off
> when kicked would have resulted in a dismasting. My engine panel is down
> in the cockpit foot well.
>
> Wes
>
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Which ignition switch do you use ?
>> If you had to replace it, what would you choose ?
>> The story below revolves around what appears to be a Cole Hersee M-550 with
>> screw terminals (www.*colehersee*
>> .com/assets/files/.../1303151353-CLH046-Marine-A.pdf)
>>
>> Had a little "experience" last week. During the evening of Monday August
>> 10th, Mike Nikolich called to me to alert me that a buzzer/alarm was
>> sounding on #262. Mike spent the time to explain to me fully what was
>> going on, what he was seeing, check the bilge and bilge pump, try a couple
>> moves for me, stabilize the issue. As is written in
>> _The_First_50_Years_An_Alberg_30_History_, its the people! Thank you Mike!
>> Its good to be docked near other Albergers.
>>
>> The previous week, and that weekend were fairly wet. Seems that on
>> Monday, when I was at the boat, I left the main battery switch energized.
>> The wet got into the ignition switch and shorted the "Off" position to the
>> "IGN" position. Thank God not the "IGN/START" position!
>>
>> After some troubleshooting, I was able to verify that the switch is/was
>> shorting by disconnecting everything from the switch but the power input
>> from the batteries, placing a VOM from the IGN terminal to GND, turning the
>> key to IGN and to OFF, and seeing that the voltage in the OFF position did
>> not fall to zero. Rather in the OFF position, I was seeing a number of
>> different voltages. Sometimes 1+V, sometimes 4+V, as high as 10V, all over
>> the map, different each time I cycled the switch from OFF to IGN to OFF.
>>
>> Further verification, consisted of reattaching the rest of the leads, and
>> watching the voltage on the IGN terminals slowly rise to about 1.5V, at
>> which point the alarm would begin sounding. Cycling the switch to IGN and
>> back to OFF would knock the voltage on the IGN terminal back down to zero.
>> Over the next 30 to 75 seconds, the voltage would rise to 1.5V and the
>> alarm would start sounding again.
>>
>> The above is the short version. Took notes while trying to figure out what
>> was going on. Would be happy to share should any want to read the full
>> version with various errors, detours and distractions.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Jonathan
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan M Bresler
>> Alberg 30 #262
>> Annapolis/Eastport MD
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> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 16:51:54 -0400
> From: Gordon Laco via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> To: Wes Gardner <wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>, Alberg 30 Public List --
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Ignition Switch Replacement
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> I replaced the key ignition in Surprise with a heavy switch with the kicking
> issue directly in mind. It's perfect. And when the boat is closed up with
> the electrical system turned off, and fuel turned off, the security is just
> as good.
>
> Gord Surprise #426
>
>
> On 17/08/15 4:50 PM, "Wes Gardner via Public-List"
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
>> Hey All,
>>
>> Mine's a panel mounted push-button...but since my engine is locked up,
>> doesn't really do much...:-( Honestly, I'm not certain I want a
>> key-switch, yes I have been in a position where getting to the start switch
>> need to be done right away, having a key that could get lost or broken off
>> when kicked would have resulted in a dismasting. My engine panel is down
>> in the cockpit foot well.
>>
>> Wes
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> Which ignition switch do you use ?
>>> If you had to replace it, what would you choose ?
>>> The story below revolves around what appears to be a Cole Hersee M-550 with
>>> screw terminals (www.*colehersee*
>>> .com/assets/files/.../1303151353-CLH046-Marine-A.pdf)
>>>
>>> Had a little "experience" last week. During the evening of Monday August
>>> 10th, Mike Nikolich called to me to alert me that a buzzer/alarm was
>>> sounding on #262. Mike spent the time to explain to me fully what was
>>> going on, what he was seeing, check the bilge and bilge pump, try a couple
>>> moves for me, stabilize the issue. As is written in
>>> _The_First_50_Years_An_Alberg_30_History_, its the people! Thank you Mike!
>>> Its good to be docked near other Albergers.
>>>
>>> The previous week, and that weekend were fairly wet. Seems that on
>>> Monday, when I was at the boat, I left the main battery switch energized.
>>> The wet got into the ignition switch and shorted the "Off" position to the
>>> "IGN" position. Thank God not the "IGN/START" position!
>>>
>>> After some troubleshooting, I was able to verify that the switch is/was
>>> shorting by disconnecting everything from the switch but the power input
>>> from the batteries, placing a VOM from the IGN terminal to GND, turning the
>>> key to IGN and to OFF, and seeing that the voltage in the OFF position did
>>> not fall to zero. Rather in the OFF position, I was seeing a number of
>>> different voltages. Sometimes 1+V, sometimes 4+V, as high as 10V, all over
>>> the map, different each time I cycled the switch from OFF to IGN to OFF.
>>>
>>> Further verification, consisted of reattaching the rest of the leads, and
>>> watching the voltage on the IGN terminals slowly rise to about 1.5V, at
>>> which point the alarm would begin sounding. Cycling the switch to IGN and
>>> back to OFF would knock the voltage on the IGN terminal back down to zero.
>>> Over the next 30 to 75 seconds, the voltage would rise to 1.5V and the
>>> alarm would start sounding again.
>>>
>>> The above is the short version. Took notes while trying to figure out what
>>> was going on. Would be happy to share should any want to read the full
>>> version with various errors, detours and distractions.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jonathan M Bresler
>>> Alberg 30 #262
>>> Annapolis/Eastport MD
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> These businesses support your Association:
>>> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
>>> Please support them.
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