[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3090, Issue 1
Wes Gardner via Public-List
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Tue Aug 18 14:27:47 PDT 2015
If I recall correctly, Pearson or Bristol used to place their
ignition/start switch just inside the companionway...dunno if that's smart
thinking or not ???
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Stephen gwyn via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> I've gone through a series of ignition switches, all of which suck
> for one reason or another. Some wouldn't turn on when needed due
> to corrosion. One kept turning itself off because of a weak
> spring/detente. Both of these problems can be solved
> temporarily hotwiring the engine. The current switch has lasted
> longer than average and is a Cole-Hersee with a rubber boot over
> the keyhole. When it fails, I'll be looking at toggle switch
> for the ignition and a push button for the start, both
> submersibly waterproof. The keyhole is the problem.
> SG
>
>
>
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>> 1. Ignition Switch Replacement (Jonathan Bresler via Public-List)
>> 2. Re: Ignition Switch Replacement (Wes Gardner via Public-List)
>> 3. Re: Ignition Switch Replacement (Gordon Laco via Public-List)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:14:36 -0400
>> From: Jonathan Bresler via Public-List
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>> Subject: [Public-List] Ignition Switch Replacement
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>> Folks,
>>
>> Which ignition switch do you use ?
>> If you had to replace it, what would you choose ?
>> The story below revolves around what appears to be a Cole Hersee M-550
>> with
>> screw terminals (www.*colehersee*
>> .com/assets/files/.../1303151353-CLH046-Marine-A.pdf)
>>
>> Had a little "experience" last week. During the evening of Monday August
>> 10th, Mike Nikolich called to me to alert me that a buzzer/alarm was
>> sounding on #262. Mike spent the time to explain to me fully what was
>> going on, what he was seeing, check the bilge and bilge pump, try a couple
>> moves for me, stabilize the issue. As is written in
>> _The_First_50_Years_An_Alberg_30_History_, its the people! Thank you
>> Mike!
>> Its good to be docked near other Albergers.
>>
>> The previous week, and that weekend were fairly wet. Seems that on
>> Monday, when I was at the boat, I left the main battery switch energized.
>> The wet got into the ignition switch and shorted the "Off" position to the
>> "IGN" position. Thank God not the "IGN/START" position!
>>
>> After some troubleshooting, I was able to verify that the switch is/was
>> shorting by disconnecting everything from the switch but the power input
>> from the batteries, placing a VOM from the IGN terminal to GND, turning
>> the
>> key to IGN and to OFF, and seeing that the voltage in the OFF position did
>> not fall to zero. Rather in the OFF position, I was seeing a number of
>> different voltages. Sometimes 1+V, sometimes 4+V, as high as 10V, all
>> over
>> the map, different each time I cycled the switch from OFF to IGN to OFF.
>>
>> Further verification, consisted of reattaching the rest of the leads, and
>> watching the voltage on the IGN terminals slowly rise to about 1.5V, at
>> which point the alarm would begin sounding. Cycling the switch to IGN and
>> back to OFF would knock the voltage on the IGN terminal back down to zero.
>> Over the next 30 to 75 seconds, the voltage would rise to 1.5V and the
>> alarm would start sounding again.
>>
>> The above is the short version. Took notes while trying to figure out
>> what
>> was going on. Would be happy to share should any want to read the full
>> version with various errors, detours and distractions.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Jonathan
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan M Bresler
>> Alberg 30 #262
>> Annapolis/Eastport MD
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 16:50:17 -0400
>> From: Wes Gardner via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> To: Jonathan Bresler <262alberg30 at gmail.com>, Alberg 30 Public List
>> -- open to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Ignition Switch Replacement
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>> Hey All,
>>
>> Mine's a panel mounted push-button...but since my engine is locked up,
>> doesn't really do much...:-( Honestly, I'm not certain I want a
>> key-switch, yes I have been in a position where getting to the start
>> switch
>> need to be done right away, having a key that could get lost or broken off
>> when kicked would have resulted in a dismasting. My engine panel is down
>> in the cockpit foot well.
>>
>> Wes
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>> Folks,
>>>
>>> Which ignition switch do you use ?
>>> If you had to replace it, what would you choose ?
>>> The story below revolves around what appears to be a Cole Hersee M-550
>>> with
>>> screw terminals (www.*colehersee*
>>> .com/assets/files/.../1303151353-CLH046-Marine-A.pdf)
>>>
>>> Had a little "experience" last week. During the evening of Monday
>>> August
>>> 10th, Mike Nikolich called to me to alert me that a buzzer/alarm was
>>> sounding on #262. Mike spent the time to explain to me fully what was
>>> going on, what he was seeing, check the bilge and bilge pump, try a
>>> couple
>>> moves for me, stabilize the issue. As is written in
>>> _The_First_50_Years_An_Alberg_30_History_, its the people! Thank you
>>> Mike!
>>> Its good to be docked near other Albergers.
>>>
>>> The previous week, and that weekend were fairly wet. Seems that on
>>> Monday, when I was at the boat, I left the main battery switch energized.
>>> The wet got into the ignition switch and shorted the "Off" position to
>>> the
>>> "IGN" position. Thank God not the "IGN/START" position!
>>>
>>> After some troubleshooting, I was able to verify that the switch is/was
>>> shorting by disconnecting everything from the switch but the power input
>>> from the batteries, placing a VOM from the IGN terminal to GND, turning
>>> the
>>> key to IGN and to OFF, and seeing that the voltage in the OFF position
>>> did
>>> not fall to zero. Rather in the OFF position, I was seeing a number of
>>> different voltages. Sometimes 1+V, sometimes 4+V, as high as 10V, all
>>> over
>>> the map, different each time I cycled the switch from OFF to IGN to OFF.
>>>
>>> Further verification, consisted of reattaching the rest of the leads, and
>>> watching the voltage on the IGN terminals slowly rise to about 1.5V, at
>>> which point the alarm would begin sounding. Cycling the switch to IGN
>>> and
>>> back to OFF would knock the voltage on the IGN terminal back down to
>>> zero.
>>> Over the next 30 to 75 seconds, the voltage would rise to 1.5V and the
>>> alarm would start sounding again.
>>>
>>> The above is the short version. Took notes while trying to figure out
>>> what
>>> was going on. Would be happy to share should any want to read the full
>>> version with various errors, detours and distractions.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jonathan M Bresler
>>> Alberg 30 #262
>>> Annapolis/Eastport MD
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 16:51:54 -0400
>> From: Gordon Laco via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> To: Wes Gardner <wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>, Alberg 30 Public List --
>> open to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Ignition Switch Replacement
>> Message-ID: <D1F7C1AA.2438B%mainstay at csolve.net>
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>>
>> I replaced the key ignition in Surprise with a heavy switch with the
>> kicking
>> issue directly in mind. It's perfect. And when the boat is closed up
>> with
>> the electrical system turned off, and fuel turned off, the security is
>> just
>> as good.
>>
>> Gord Surprise #426
>>
>>
>> On 17/08/15 4:50 PM, "Wes Gardner via Public-List"
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hey All,
>>>
>>> Mine's a panel mounted push-button...but since my engine is locked up,
>>> doesn't really do much...:-( Honestly, I'm not certain I want a
>>> key-switch, yes I have been in a position where getting to the start
>>> switch
>>> need to be done right away, having a key that could get lost or broken
>>> off
>>> when kicked would have resulted in a dismasting. My engine panel is down
>>> in the cockpit foot well.
>>>
>>> Wes
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Folks,
>>>>
>>>> Which ignition switch do you use ?
>>>> If you had to replace it, what would you choose ?
>>>> The story below revolves around what appears to be a Cole Hersee M-550
>>>> with
>>>> screw terminals (www.*colehersee*
>>>> .com/assets/files/.../1303151353-CLH046-Marine-A.pdf)
>>>>
>>>> Had a little "experience" last week. During the evening of Monday
>>>> August
>>>> 10th, Mike Nikolich called to me to alert me that a buzzer/alarm was
>>>> sounding on #262. Mike spent the time to explain to me fully what was
>>>> going on, what he was seeing, check the bilge and bilge pump, try a
>>>> couple
>>>> moves for me, stabilize the issue. As is written in
>>>> _The_First_50_Years_An_Alberg_30_History_, its the people! Thank you
>>>> Mike!
>>>> Its good to be docked near other Albergers.
>>>>
>>>> The previous week, and that weekend were fairly wet. Seems that on
>>>> Monday, when I was at the boat, I left the main battery switch
>>>> energized.
>>>> The wet got into the ignition switch and shorted the "Off" position to
>>>> the
>>>> "IGN" position. Thank God not the "IGN/START" position!
>>>>
>>>> After some troubleshooting, I was able to verify that the switch is/was
>>>> shorting by disconnecting everything from the switch but the power input
>>>> from the batteries, placing a VOM from the IGN terminal to GND, turning
>>>> the
>>>> key to IGN and to OFF, and seeing that the voltage in the OFF position
>>>> did
>>>> not fall to zero. Rather in the OFF position, I was seeing a number of
>>>> different voltages. Sometimes 1+V, sometimes 4+V, as high as 10V, all
>>>> over
>>>> the map, different each time I cycled the switch from OFF to IGN to OFF.
>>>>
>>>> Further verification, consisted of reattaching the rest of the leads,
>>>> and
>>>> watching the voltage on the IGN terminals slowly rise to about 1.5V, at
>>>> which point the alarm would begin sounding. Cycling the switch to IGN
>>>> and
>>>> back to OFF would knock the voltage on the IGN terminal back down to
>>>> zero.
>>>> Over the next 30 to 75 seconds, the voltage would rise to 1.5V and the
>>>> alarm would start sounding again.
>>>>
>>>> The above is the short version. Took notes while trying to figure out
>>>> what
>>>> was going on. Would be happy to share should any want to read the full
>>>> version with various errors, detours and distractions.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Jonathan
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jonathan M Bresler
>>>> Alberg 30 #262
>>>> Annapolis/Eastport MD
>>>> _______________________________________________
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