[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3090, Issue 1
Mike Meinhold via Public-List
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Wed Aug 19 07:19:45 PDT 2015
Rinn Duin has a pushbutton starter and toggle "run" switch on the
panel below the companionway, which I can reach from the tiller. I
like to be able to test the coil from below without cranking, and run
the start motor without starting. I also always close the seawater
through-hull when leaving the boat, and initially start the engine
from below. This keeps me in the habit of examining the engine at
least once per voyage.
I gave up on keyed start switches in the cockpit after replacing them
almost yearly. I had one fail, starting the engine while sailing.
Another failed and burned out the starter motor and fortunately did
not burn the boat! My daughter was below and told me she smelled
toast, which was the paint burning on the starter.
I think the accumulation of dirt, salt and water is too much them,
unless they are well covered.
Mike
Rinn Duin #272
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Wes Gardner via Public-List
<public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> If I recall correctly, Pearson or Bristol used to place their
> ignition/start switch just inside the companionway...dunno if that's smart
> thinking or not ???
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Stephen gwyn via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> I've gone through a series of ignition switches, all of which suck
>> for one reason or another. Some wouldn't turn on when needed due
>> to corrosion. One kept turning itself off because of a weak
>> spring/detente. Both of these problems can be solved
>> temporarily hotwiring the engine. The current switch has lasted
>> longer than average and is a Cole-Hersee with a rubber boot over
>> the keyhole. When it fails, I'll be looking at toggle switch
>> for the ignition and a push button for the start, both
>> submersibly waterproof. The keyhole is the problem.
>> SG
>>
>>
>>
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>>> 1. Ignition Switch Replacement (Jonathan Bresler via Public-List)
>>> 2. Re: Ignition Switch Replacement (Wes Gardner via Public-List)
>>> 3. Re: Ignition Switch Replacement (Gordon Laco via Public-List)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:14:36 -0400
>>> From: Jonathan Bresler via Public-List
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>>> Subject: [Public-List] Ignition Switch Replacement
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>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> Which ignition switch do you use ?
>>> If you had to replace it, what would you choose ?
>>> The story below revolves around what appears to be a Cole Hersee M-550
>>> with
>>> screw terminals (www.*colehersee*
>>> .com/assets/files/.../1303151353-CLH046-Marine-A.pdf)
>>>
>>> Had a little "experience" last week. During the evening of Monday August
>>> 10th, Mike Nikolich called to me to alert me that a buzzer/alarm was
>>> sounding on #262. Mike spent the time to explain to me fully what was
>>> going on, what he was seeing, check the bilge and bilge pump, try a couple
>>> moves for me, stabilize the issue. As is written in
>>> _The_First_50_Years_An_Alberg_30_History_, its the people! Thank you
>>> Mike!
>>> Its good to be docked near other Albergers.
>>>
>>> The previous week, and that weekend were fairly wet. Seems that on
>>> Monday, when I was at the boat, I left the main battery switch energized.
>>> The wet got into the ignition switch and shorted the "Off" position to the
>>> "IGN" position. Thank God not the "IGN/START" position!
>>>
>>> After some troubleshooting, I was able to verify that the switch is/was
>>> shorting by disconnecting everything from the switch but the power input
>>> from the batteries, placing a VOM from the IGN terminal to GND, turning
>>> the
>>> key to IGN and to OFF, and seeing that the voltage in the OFF position did
>>> not fall to zero. Rather in the OFF position, I was seeing a number of
>>> different voltages. Sometimes 1+V, sometimes 4+V, as high as 10V, all
>>> over
>>> the map, different each time I cycled the switch from OFF to IGN to OFF.
>>>
>>> Further verification, consisted of reattaching the rest of the leads, and
>>> watching the voltage on the IGN terminals slowly rise to about 1.5V, at
>>> which point the alarm would begin sounding. Cycling the switch to IGN and
>>> back to OFF would knock the voltage on the IGN terminal back down to zero.
>>> Over the next 30 to 75 seconds, the voltage would rise to 1.5V and the
>>> alarm would start sounding again.
>>>
>>> The above is the short version. Took notes while trying to figure out
>>> what
>>> was going on. Would be happy to share should any want to read the full
>>> version with various errors, detours and distractions.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jonathan M Bresler
>>> Alberg 30 #262
>>> Annapolis/Eastport MD
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 16:50:17 -0400
>>> From: Wes Gardner via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>> To: Jonathan Bresler <262alberg30 at gmail.com>, Alberg 30 Public List
>>> -- open to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Ignition Switch Replacement
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>>> Hey All,
>>>
>>> Mine's a panel mounted push-button...but since my engine is locked up,
>>> doesn't really do much...:-( Honestly, I'm not certain I want a
>>> key-switch, yes I have been in a position where getting to the start
>>> switch
>>> need to be done right away, having a key that could get lost or broken off
>>> when kicked would have resulted in a dismasting. My engine panel is down
>>> in the cockpit foot well.
>>>
>>> Wes
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Folks,
>>>>
>>>> Which ignition switch do you use ?
>>>> If you had to replace it, what would you choose ?
>>>> The story below revolves around what appears to be a Cole Hersee M-550
>>>> with
>>>> screw terminals (www.*colehersee*
>>>> .com/assets/files/.../1303151353-CLH046-Marine-A.pdf)
>>>>
>>>> Had a little "experience" last week. During the evening of Monday
>>>> August
>>>> 10th, Mike Nikolich called to me to alert me that a buzzer/alarm was
>>>> sounding on #262. Mike spent the time to explain to me fully what was
>>>> going on, what he was seeing, check the bilge and bilge pump, try a
>>>> couple
>>>> moves for me, stabilize the issue. As is written in
>>>> _The_First_50_Years_An_Alberg_30_History_, its the people! Thank you
>>>> Mike!
>>>> Its good to be docked near other Albergers.
>>>>
>>>> The previous week, and that weekend were fairly wet. Seems that on
>>>> Monday, when I was at the boat, I left the main battery switch energized.
>>>> The wet got into the ignition switch and shorted the "Off" position to
>>>> the
>>>> "IGN" position. Thank God not the "IGN/START" position!
>>>>
>>>> After some troubleshooting, I was able to verify that the switch is/was
>>>> shorting by disconnecting everything from the switch but the power input
>>>> from the batteries, placing a VOM from the IGN terminal to GND, turning
>>>> the
>>>> key to IGN and to OFF, and seeing that the voltage in the OFF position
>>>> did
>>>> not fall to zero. Rather in the OFF position, I was seeing a number of
>>>> different voltages. Sometimes 1+V, sometimes 4+V, as high as 10V, all
>>>> over
>>>> the map, different each time I cycled the switch from OFF to IGN to OFF.
>>>>
>>>> Further verification, consisted of reattaching the rest of the leads, and
>>>> watching the voltage on the IGN terminals slowly rise to about 1.5V, at
>>>> which point the alarm would begin sounding. Cycling the switch to IGN
>>>> and
>>>> back to OFF would knock the voltage on the IGN terminal back down to
>>>> zero.
>>>> Over the next 30 to 75 seconds, the voltage would rise to 1.5V and the
>>>> alarm would start sounding again.
>>>>
>>>> The above is the short version. Took notes while trying to figure out
>>>> what
>>>> was going on. Would be happy to share should any want to read the full
>>>> version with various errors, detours and distractions.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Jonathan
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jonathan M Bresler
>>>> Alberg 30 #262
>>>> Annapolis/Eastport MD
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>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 16:51:54 -0400
>>> From: Gordon Laco via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>> To: Wes Gardner <wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>, Alberg 30 Public List --
>>> open to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Ignition Switch Replacement
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>>>
>>> I replaced the key ignition in Surprise with a heavy switch with the
>>> kicking
>>> issue directly in mind. It's perfect. And when the boat is closed up
>>> with
>>> the electrical system turned off, and fuel turned off, the security is
>>> just
>>> as good.
>>>
>>> Gord Surprise #426
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17/08/15 4:50 PM, "Wes Gardner via Public-List"
>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey All,
>>>>
>>>> Mine's a panel mounted push-button...but since my engine is locked up,
>>>> doesn't really do much...:-( Honestly, I'm not certain I want a
>>>> key-switch, yes I have been in a position where getting to the start
>>>> switch
>>>> need to be done right away, having a key that could get lost or broken
>>>> off
>>>> when kicked would have resulted in a dismasting. My engine panel is down
>>>> in the cockpit foot well.
>>>>
>>>> Wes
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Which ignition switch do you use ?
>>>>> If you had to replace it, what would you choose ?
>>>>> The story below revolves around what appears to be a Cole Hersee M-550
>>>>> with
>>>>> screw terminals (www.*colehersee*
>>>>> .com/assets/files/.../1303151353-CLH046-Marine-A.pdf)
>>>>>
>>>>> Had a little "experience" last week. During the evening of Monday
>>>>> August
>>>>> 10th, Mike Nikolich called to me to alert me that a buzzer/alarm was
>>>>> sounding on #262. Mike spent the time to explain to me fully what was
>>>>> going on, what he was seeing, check the bilge and bilge pump, try a
>>>>> couple
>>>>> moves for me, stabilize the issue. As is written in
>>>>> _The_First_50_Years_An_Alberg_30_History_, its the people! Thank you
>>>>> Mike!
>>>>> Its good to be docked near other Albergers.
>>>>>
>>>>> The previous week, and that weekend were fairly wet. Seems that on
>>>>> Monday, when I was at the boat, I left the main battery switch
>>>>> energized.
>>>>> The wet got into the ignition switch and shorted the "Off" position to
>>>>> the
>>>>> "IGN" position. Thank God not the "IGN/START" position!
>>>>>
>>>>> After some troubleshooting, I was able to verify that the switch is/was
>>>>> shorting by disconnecting everything from the switch but the power input
>>>>> from the batteries, placing a VOM from the IGN terminal to GND, turning
>>>>> the
>>>>> key to IGN and to OFF, and seeing that the voltage in the OFF position
>>>>> did
>>>>> not fall to zero. Rather in the OFF position, I was seeing a number of
>>>>> different voltages. Sometimes 1+V, sometimes 4+V, as high as 10V, all
>>>>> over
>>>>> the map, different each time I cycled the switch from OFF to IGN to OFF.
>>>>>
>>>>> Further verification, consisted of reattaching the rest of the leads,
>>>>> and
>>>>> watching the voltage on the IGN terminals slowly rise to about 1.5V, at
>>>>> which point the alarm would begin sounding. Cycling the switch to IGN
>>>>> and
>>>>> back to OFF would knock the voltage on the IGN terminal back down to
>>>>> zero.
>>>>> Over the next 30 to 75 seconds, the voltage would rise to 1.5V and the
>>>>> alarm would start sounding again.
>>>>>
>>>>> The above is the short version. Took notes while trying to figure out
>>>>> what
>>>>> was going on. Would be happy to share should any want to read the full
>>>>> version with various errors, detours and distractions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jonathan M Bresler
>>>>> Alberg 30 #262
>>>>> Annapolis/Eastport MD
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