[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3090, Issue 1
Jeffrey via Public-List
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Wed Aug 19 08:02:41 PDT 2015
I also don't have a keyed ignition. Maine battery switch below, and I've
rigged a simple switch into the start circuit that's inside a cockpit
locker for peace of mind. I've never used the simple switch.
http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=7844&familyName=2-Position+Single+Circuit+Push-Pull+Switch
I also keep my boat in Maine, where everyone is honest. :)
-Jeff
Seagrass. #116
Boothbay Harbor, Maine
http://sailboatseagrass.com/
<http://instagram.com/jfongemie>
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Mike Meinhold via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> Rinn Duin has a pushbutton starter and toggle "run" switch on the
> panel below the companionway, which I can reach from the tiller. I
> like to be able to test the coil from below without cranking, and run
> the start motor without starting. I also always close the seawater
> through-hull when leaving the boat, and initially start the engine
> from below. This keeps me in the habit of examining the engine at
> least once per voyage.
>
> I gave up on keyed start switches in the cockpit after replacing them
> almost yearly. I had one fail, starting the engine while sailing.
>
> Another failed and burned out the starter motor and fortunately did
> not burn the boat! My daughter was below and told me she smelled
> toast, which was the paint burning on the starter.
>
> I think the accumulation of dirt, salt and water is too much them,
> unless they are well covered.
>
> Mike
> Rinn Duin #272
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Wes Gardner via Public-List
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > If I recall correctly, Pearson or Bristol used to place their
> > ignition/start switch just inside the companionway...dunno if that's
> smart
> > thinking or not ???
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Stephen gwyn via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I've gone through a series of ignition switches, all of which suck
> >> for one reason or another. Some wouldn't turn on when needed due
> >> to corrosion. One kept turning itself off because of a weak
> >> spring/detente. Both of these problems can be solved
> >> temporarily hotwiring the engine. The current switch has lasted
> >> longer than average and is a Cole-Hersee with a rubber boot over
> >> the keyhole. When it fails, I'll be looking at toggle switch
> >> for the ignition and a push button for the start, both
> >> submersibly waterproof. The keyhole is the problem.
> >> SG
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 08/18/2015 12:03 PM, via Public-List wrote:
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> >>> 1. Ignition Switch Replacement (Jonathan Bresler via Public-List)
> >>> 2. Re: Ignition Switch Replacement (Wes Gardner via Public-List)
> >>> 3. Re: Ignition Switch Replacement (Gordon Laco via Public-List)
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> >>> Message: 1
> >>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:14:36 -0400
> >>> From: Jonathan Bresler via Public-List
> >>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> >>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >>> Subject: [Public-List] Ignition Switch Replacement
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> >>>
> >>> Folks,
> >>>
> >>> Which ignition switch do you use ?
> >>> If you had to replace it, what would you choose ?
> >>> The story below revolves around what appears to be a Cole Hersee M-550
> >>> with
> >>> screw terminals (www.*colehersee*
> >>> .com/assets/files/.../1303151353-CLH046-Marine-A.pdf)
> >>>
> >>> Had a little "experience" last week. During the evening of Monday
> August
> >>> 10th, Mike Nikolich called to me to alert me that a buzzer/alarm was
> >>> sounding on #262. Mike spent the time to explain to me fully what was
> >>> going on, what he was seeing, check the bilge and bilge pump, try a
> couple
> >>> moves for me, stabilize the issue. As is written in
> >>> _The_First_50_Years_An_Alberg_30_History_, its the people! Thank you
> >>> Mike!
> >>> Its good to be docked near other Albergers.
> >>>
> >>> The previous week, and that weekend were fairly wet. Seems that on
> >>> Monday, when I was at the boat, I left the main battery switch
> energized.
> >>> The wet got into the ignition switch and shorted the "Off" position to
> the
> >>> "IGN" position. Thank God not the "IGN/START" position!
> >>>
> >>> After some troubleshooting, I was able to verify that the switch is/was
> >>> shorting by disconnecting everything from the switch but the power
> input
> >>> from the batteries, placing a VOM from the IGN terminal to GND, turning
> >>> the
> >>> key to IGN and to OFF, and seeing that the voltage in the OFF position
> did
> >>> not fall to zero. Rather in the OFF position, I was seeing a number of
> >>> different voltages. Sometimes 1+V, sometimes 4+V, as high as 10V, all
> >>> over
> >>> the map, different each time I cycled the switch from OFF to IGN to
> OFF.
> >>>
> >>> Further verification, consisted of reattaching the rest of the leads,
> and
> >>> watching the voltage on the IGN terminals slowly rise to about 1.5V, at
> >>> which point the alarm would begin sounding. Cycling the switch to IGN
> and
> >>> back to OFF would knock the voltage on the IGN terminal back down to
> zero.
> >>> Over the next 30 to 75 seconds, the voltage would rise to 1.5V and the
> >>> alarm would start sounding again.
> >>>
> >>> The above is the short version. Took notes while trying to figure out
> >>> what
> >>> was going on. Would be happy to share should any want to read the full
> >>> version with various errors, detours and distractions.
> >>>
> >>> Thank you,
> >>> Jonathan
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Jonathan M Bresler
> >>> Alberg 30 #262
> >>> Annapolis/Eastport MD
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Message: 2
> >>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 16:50:17 -0400
> >>> From: Wes Gardner via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >>> To: Jonathan Bresler <262alberg30 at gmail.com>, Alberg 30 Public List
> >>> -- open to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Ignition Switch Replacement
> >>> Message-ID:
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> >>> CAFWpyHyXW0qD-CA8d5XGSoQjadQBNTGNqRceRbCJaSYxyFBdyg at mail.gmail.com>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>
> >>> Hey All,
> >>>
> >>> Mine's a panel mounted push-button...but since my engine is locked up,
> >>> doesn't really do much...:-( Honestly, I'm not certain I want a
> >>> key-switch, yes I have been in a position where getting to the start
> >>> switch
> >>> need to be done right away, having a key that could get lost or broken
> off
> >>> when kicked would have resulted in a dismasting. My engine panel is
> down
> >>> in the cockpit foot well.
> >>>
> >>> Wes
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
> >>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Folks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Which ignition switch do you use ?
> >>>> If you had to replace it, what would you choose ?
> >>>> The story below revolves around what appears to be a Cole Hersee M-550
> >>>> with
> >>>> screw terminals (www.*colehersee*
> >>>> .com/assets/files/.../1303151353-CLH046-Marine-A.pdf)
> >>>>
> >>>> Had a little "experience" last week. During the evening of Monday
> >>>> August
> >>>> 10th, Mike Nikolich called to me to alert me that a buzzer/alarm was
> >>>> sounding on #262. Mike spent the time to explain to me fully what
> was
> >>>> going on, what he was seeing, check the bilge and bilge pump, try a
> >>>> couple
> >>>> moves for me, stabilize the issue. As is written in
> >>>> _The_First_50_Years_An_Alberg_30_History_, its the people! Thank you
> >>>> Mike!
> >>>> Its good to be docked near other Albergers.
> >>>>
> >>>> The previous week, and that weekend were fairly wet. Seems that on
> >>>> Monday, when I was at the boat, I left the main battery switch
> energized.
> >>>> The wet got into the ignition switch and shorted the "Off" position to
> >>>> the
> >>>> "IGN" position. Thank God not the "IGN/START" position!
> >>>>
> >>>> After some troubleshooting, I was able to verify that the switch
> is/was
> >>>> shorting by disconnecting everything from the switch but the power
> input
> >>>> from the batteries, placing a VOM from the IGN terminal to GND,
> turning
> >>>> the
> >>>> key to IGN and to OFF, and seeing that the voltage in the OFF position
> >>>> did
> >>>> not fall to zero. Rather in the OFF position, I was seeing a number
> of
> >>>> different voltages. Sometimes 1+V, sometimes 4+V, as high as 10V, all
> >>>> over
> >>>> the map, different each time I cycled the switch from OFF to IGN to
> OFF.
> >>>>
> >>>> Further verification, consisted of reattaching the rest of the leads,
> and
> >>>> watching the voltage on the IGN terminals slowly rise to about 1.5V,
> at
> >>>> which point the alarm would begin sounding. Cycling the switch to IGN
> >>>> and
> >>>> back to OFF would knock the voltage on the IGN terminal back down to
> >>>> zero.
> >>>> Over the next 30 to 75 seconds, the voltage would rise to 1.5V and the
> >>>> alarm would start sounding again.
> >>>>
> >>>> The above is the short version. Took notes while trying to figure out
> >>>> what
> >>>> was going on. Would be happy to share should any want to read the
> full
> >>>> version with various errors, detours and distractions.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you,
> >>>> Jonathan
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Jonathan M Bresler
> >>>> Alberg 30 #262
> >>>> Annapolis/Eastport MD
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> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Message: 3
> >>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 16:51:54 -0400
> >>> From: Gordon Laco via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >>> To: Wes Gardner <wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>, Alberg 30 Public List
> --
> >>> open to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Ignition Switch Replacement
> >>> Message-ID: <D1F7C1AA.2438B%mainstay at csolve.net>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >>>
> >>> I replaced the key ignition in Surprise with a heavy switch with the
> >>> kicking
> >>> issue directly in mind. It's perfect. And when the boat is closed up
> >>> with
> >>> the electrical system turned off, and fuel turned off, the security is
> >>> just
> >>> as good.
> >>>
> >>> Gord Surprise #426
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 17/08/15 4:50 PM, "Wes Gardner via Public-List"
> >>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hey All,
> >>>>
> >>>> Mine's a panel mounted push-button...but since my engine is locked up,
> >>>> doesn't really do much...:-( Honestly, I'm not certain I want a
> >>>> key-switch, yes I have been in a position where getting to the start
> >>>> switch
> >>>> need to be done right away, having a key that could get lost or broken
> >>>> off
> >>>> when kicked would have resulted in a dismasting. My engine panel is
> down
> >>>> in the cockpit foot well.
> >>>>
> >>>> Wes
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
> >>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Folks,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Which ignition switch do you use ?
> >>>>> If you had to replace it, what would you choose ?
> >>>>> The story below revolves around what appears to be a Cole Hersee
> M-550
> >>>>> with
> >>>>> screw terminals (www.*colehersee*
> >>>>> .com/assets/files/.../1303151353-CLH046-Marine-A.pdf)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Had a little "experience" last week. During the evening of Monday
> >>>>> August
> >>>>> 10th, Mike Nikolich called to me to alert me that a buzzer/alarm was
> >>>>> sounding on #262. Mike spent the time to explain to me fully what
> was
> >>>>> going on, what he was seeing, check the bilge and bilge pump, try a
> >>>>> couple
> >>>>> moves for me, stabilize the issue. As is written in
> >>>>> _The_First_50_Years_An_Alberg_30_History_, its the people! Thank you
> >>>>> Mike!
> >>>>> Its good to be docked near other Albergers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The previous week, and that weekend were fairly wet. Seems that on
> >>>>> Monday, when I was at the boat, I left the main battery switch
> >>>>> energized.
> >>>>> The wet got into the ignition switch and shorted the "Off" position
> to
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> "IGN" position. Thank God not the "IGN/START" position!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> After some troubleshooting, I was able to verify that the switch
> is/was
> >>>>> shorting by disconnecting everything from the switch but the power
> input
> >>>>> from the batteries, placing a VOM from the IGN terminal to GND,
> turning
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> key to IGN and to OFF, and seeing that the voltage in the OFF
> position
> >>>>> did
> >>>>> not fall to zero. Rather in the OFF position, I was seeing a number
> of
> >>>>> different voltages. Sometimes 1+V, sometimes 4+V, as high as 10V,
> all
> >>>>> over
> >>>>> the map, different each time I cycled the switch from OFF to IGN to
> OFF.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Further verification, consisted of reattaching the rest of the leads,
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> watching the voltage on the IGN terminals slowly rise to about 1.5V,
> at
> >>>>> which point the alarm would begin sounding. Cycling the switch to
> IGN
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> back to OFF would knock the voltage on the IGN terminal back down to
> >>>>> zero.
> >>>>> Over the next 30 to 75 seconds, the voltage would rise to 1.5V and
> the
> >>>>> alarm would start sounding again.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The above is the short version. Took notes while trying to figure
> out
> >>>>> what
> >>>>> was going on. Would be happy to share should any want to read the
> full
> >>>>> version with various errors, detours and distractions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thank you,
> >>>>> Jonathan
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Jonathan M Bresler
> >>>>> Alberg 30 #262
> >>>>> Annapolis/Eastport MD
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