[Public-List] Motor Replacement continued
Andrew Johns via Public-List
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Fri Aug 28 06:57:58 PDT 2015
Have you had a chance to see if the engine is saveable?
I believe the Vetus 3.10, uses the same Mitsubishi K3D base engine as my
W18.
I haven't ordered from these guys personally, but they have parts for this
engine much cheaper than Westerbeke and Vetus.
http://www.ncwtractorparts.com/index.php?dispatch=categories.view&category_id=2226
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gordon Laco via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> A marine engine restorer in Toronto told me the two-cylinder models were
> once called 'Nagasaki Knockers' connecting the sound with the place they're
> built. He also said they're good engines.
>
> Just back from a bittersweet session salvaging cabin cabinetry from a
> Folkboat that is facing being cut up at a friend's boat yard. The poor old
> boat, which once belonged to a dear friend of mine, was brought to the yard
> for restoration. The owner blanched at the cost and abandoned her. She's
> really in dreadful condition and even when new, was an odd version of her
> type so she's at the end of the road.
>
> Well parts of her will live on in my Folkboat...and her old folding table
> will go aboard SURPRISE.
>
> Gord #426 Surprise
>
>
> On 21/08/15 5:48 PM, "Wes Gardner via Public-List"
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I understand and do recall from sailing in a J30 that the two cylinder
> Yanmars
> > did create a "certain note." My Vetus was pretty quite I guess, my engine
> > compartment has no sound insulation
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Aug 21, 2015, at 11:30 AM, Bill Boyle <wpb1210 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I hope Yanmar has improved the noise level of their motors. We have a
> 2qm15
> >> installed in Slainte #129. It was done in the early 80's by a previous
> >> owner. I recently replaced all the insulation in the motor box but the
> db
> >> level is still high. Idling and low speed are the worst. The yanmar
> >> "Hammer" is in full play.
> >>
> >> From: Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >> To: Wes Gardner <wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>; Alberg 30 Public List --
> open to
> >> all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >> Cc: Jim Davis <a30240 at earthlink.net>
> >> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 11:21 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Motor Replacement continued
> >>
> >> Wes,
> >>
> >> If you would like to see a Yanmar 2GM20F installed in a 1967 Alberg,
> please
> >> let me know. There is one aboard #262.
> >> The new Yanmar's, 2YM15 and 3YM20, have the raw water pump installed
> with
> >> the impeller facing forward and accessible. Previously you had to
> remove
> >> the pump from the engine to access the impeller. The oil dipstick has
> been
> >> relocated to the front side of the engine from the starboard side. On
> the
> >> other hand, the position of the oil filter is worse, seems to be back
> where
> >> the oil dip stick was.
> >>
> >> Was wondering which boat you had. Tried to find you in the
> A30BoatHistory
> >> spreadsheet without success.
> >>
> >> Jonathan
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Wes Gardner via Public-List <
> >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Oh, by the way, my boat is a non-liner boat built in '67-#196, so I can
> >>> assume that at one point it did have the Atomic4, it still has the
> shift
> >>> linkage cross-brace back behind the motor.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 20, 2015, at 5:48 PM, Fraser Kittson via Public-List <
> >>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> My 1978 A30 came factory with a Volvo MD7A if you can find on there a
> >>> great motor. Drops rite in.
> >>>>
> >>>> Fraser Kittson
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Aug 20, 2015, at 4:40 PM, Jim Davis via Public-List <
> >>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A few thoughts on replacement engines. Back when I owned #240 I
> put a
> >>>>> Yanmar 2GM in it. This works well on the pre-liner boats, but on a
> >>>>> liner boat the engine room pan gets in the way as the Yanmar is too
> >>>>> deep. Westerbeake and Beta are a better option in the liner boats
> and
> >>>>> if I were to do a repower today I would go with the Beta. Both
> >>>>> Westerbeake and Beta are as near drop in replacements for the
> Atomic 4
> >>>>> as you will find and are made on the same Kabota block. When I did
> my
> >>>>> repower Beta was the "new kid on the block", but they have now been
> >>>>> around for a couple decades and actively marketing their product.
> >>>>> http://www.betamarinenc.com/
> >>>>> http://www.westerbeke.com/pages/westerbekeengines.htm
> >>>>> Jim Davis
> >>>>> Privateer Isa Lei
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If man does find the solution for world peace it will be the most
> >>> revolutionary
> >>>>> reversal of his record we have ever known.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> George C. Marshall
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Message: 2
> >>>>> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 11:37:40 -0400
> >>>>> From: Jonathan Bresler via Public-List
> >>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >>>>> To: Wes Gardner <wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>
> >>>>> Cc: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> >>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Motor Replacement continued
> >>>>> Message-ID:
> >>>>> <CAHEe8TuXU+xQrsEdhPegtLBvg=VyMLK_h=
> >>> 1cKioVt0HMEgfRJQ at mail.gmail.com>
> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wes,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Don't know what other folks have.
> >>>>> #262 has a Yanmar 2GM20F installed by the previous owner, Tom Baker.
> >>> Tom
> >>>>> got two from Florida
> >>>>> #11 (?) Woody has the other 2GM20F from Tom, as far as I know.
> >>>>> #247 and #550, which I am familiar with from racing on them, both
> have
> >>>>> Atomic 4's
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jonathan
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Wes Gardner <
> wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> That sounds correct...I'd just make doubly sure that your oil
> pressure
> >>>>>> gauge sender and the one for the alarm (if so installed) are all
> >>> properly
> >>>>>> done. This will include ALL blocks built outside of the States. By
> the
> >>>>>> way, what motor do most folks have (other than the original A4)? I
> may
> >>>>>> have to consider an alternative if mine can't be rebuilt.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Jonathan Bresler <
> >>> 262alberg30 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Seems that Catalina folk have run into the problem of threads
> sizes as
> >>>>>>> well as wanting a gauge vs a normally-closed switch.
> >>>>>>> [1]
> >>>
> http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/3288/oil-pressure-sender-f
> >>>>> or-yanmar-diesels.cfm
> >>>>>>> From looking around a bit it appears that VDO calls the type with
> two
> >>>>>>> electrical terminals "floating ground" switch as opposed to
> "standard
> >>>>>>> ground" (shorted to engine block).
> >>>>>>> [2]
> >>> http://www.vdo-instruments.com/sensors/pressure-sensors-switches.html
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jonathan
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Wes Gardner <
> >>> wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Good article...could have saved me several grand. A note about
> the
> >>> oil
> >>>>>>>> pressure sender, when it blows out of the side of the motor, no
> >>> alarm will
> >>>>>>>> sound because it needs the ground from the nipple. The way to
> avoid
> >>> this
> >>>>>>>> is to get a sender that has TWO terminals and ground the ground to
> >>> the
> >>>>>>>> motor somewhere, that way, when your sender blows out of the side
> of
> >>> the
> >>>>>>>> motor, you'll get an alarm (if it's hooked up)...mine was also not
> >>> hooked
> >>>>>>>> up but wouldn't have worked anyway...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Jonathan Bresler <
> >>> 262alberg30 at gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ouch!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Was reading earlier this week about a oil pressure senders and
> the
> >>>>>>>>> different threads involved. 1/8" NPT vs 1/8 PT on a Yanmar
> engine.
> >>>>>>>>> [3]
> >>>
> http://www.oceannavigator.com/September-2011/Upgrading-Yanmar-oil-pressu
> >>>>> re-gauge-and-sender/
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Jonathan
> >>>>>
> >>>>> References
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1.
> >>>
> http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/3288/oil-pressure-sender-for
> >>> -yanmar-diesels.cfm
> >>>>> 2.
> >>> http://www.vdo-instruments.com/sensors/pressure-sensors-switches.html
> >>>>> 3.
> >>>
> http://www.oceannavigator.com/September-2011/Upgrading-Yanmar-oil-pressure-g
> >>> auge-and-sender/
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> >>
> >> --
> >> Jonathan M Bresler
> >> Alberg 30 #262
> >> Annapolis/Eastport MD
> >>
> >>
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