[Public-List] Motor Replacement continued

Wes Gardner via Public-List public-list at lists.alberg30.org
Fri Aug 28 13:53:50 PDT 2015


Hi All,

Seems my motor is fairly well toasted...things welded themselves to other
things and actually broke a hunk of block off internally and the pieces
ended up in and around the cam.

Wes

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Andrew Johns via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> Have you had a chance to see if the engine is saveable?
>
> I believe the Vetus 3.10, uses the same Mitsubishi K3D base engine as my
> W18.
>
> I haven't ordered from these guys personally, but they have parts for this
> engine much cheaper than Westerbeke and Vetus.
>
>
> http://www.ncwtractorparts.com/index.php?dispatch=categories.view&category_id=2226
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > A marine engine restorer in Toronto told me the two-cylinder models were
> > once called 'Nagasaki Knockers' connecting the sound with the place
> they're
> > built.  He also said they're good engines.
> >
> > Just back from a bittersweet session salvaging cabin cabinetry from a
> > Folkboat that is facing being cut up at a friend's boat yard.  The poor
> old
> > boat, which once belonged to a dear friend of mine, was brought to the
> yard
> > for restoration.  The owner blanched at the cost and abandoned her.
> She's
> > really in dreadful condition and even when new, was an odd version of her
> > type so she's at the end of the road.
> >
> > Well parts of her will live on in my Folkboat...and her old folding table
> > will go aboard SURPRISE.
> >
> > Gord #426 Surprise
> >
> >
> > On 21/08/15 5:48 PM, "Wes Gardner via Public-List"
> > <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I understand and do recall from sailing in a J30 that the two cylinder
> > Yanmars
> > > did create a "certain note." My Vetus was pretty quite I guess, my
> engine
> > > compartment has no sound insulation
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > >
> > >> On Aug 21, 2015, at 11:30 AM, Bill Boyle <wpb1210 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I hope Yanmar has improved the noise level of their motors.  We have a
> > 2qm15
> > >> installed in Slainte #129.  It was done in the early 80's by a
> previous
> > >> owner.  I recently replaced all the insulation in the motor box but
> the
> > db
> > >> level is still high.  Idling  and low speed are the worst. The yanmar
> > >> "Hammer" is in full play.
> > >>
> > >> From: Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > >> To: Wes Gardner <wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>; Alberg 30 Public List --
> > open to
> > >> all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > >> Cc: Jim Davis <a30240 at earthlink.net>
> > >> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 11:21 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Motor Replacement continued
> > >>
> > >> Wes,
> > >>
> > >> If you would like to see a Yanmar 2GM20F installed in a 1967 Alberg,
> > please
> > >> let me know.  There is one aboard #262.
> > >> The new Yanmar's, 2YM15 and 3YM20, have the raw water pump installed
> > with
> > >> the impeller facing forward and accessible.  Previously you had to
> > remove
> > >> the pump from the engine to access the impeller.  The oil dipstick has
> > been
> > >> relocated to the front side of the engine from the starboard side.  On
> > the
> > >> other hand, the position of the oil filter is worse, seems to be back
> > where
> > >> the oil dip stick was.
> > >>
> > >> Was wondering which boat you had.  Tried to find you in the
> > A30BoatHistory
> > >> spreadsheet without success.
> > >>
> > >> Jonathan
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Wes Gardner via Public-List <
> > >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Oh, by the way, my boat is a non-liner boat built in '67-#196, so I
> can
> > >>> assume that at one point it did have the Atomic4, it still has the
> > shift
> > >>> linkage cross-brace back behind the motor.
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Aug 20, 2015, at 5:48 PM, Fraser Kittson via Public-List <
> > >>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> My 1978 A30 came factory with a Volvo MD7A if you can find on there
> a
> > >>> great motor. Drops rite in.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Fraser Kittson
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Aug 20, 2015, at 4:40 PM, Jim Davis via Public-List <
> > >>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>  A few thoughts on replacement engines.  Back when I owned #240 I
> > put a
> > >>>>>  Yanmar 2GM in it.  This works well on the pre-liner boats, but on
> a
> > >>>>>  liner boat the engine room pan gets in the way as the Yanmar is
> too
> > >>>>>  deep.  Westerbeake and Beta are a better option in the liner boats
> > and
> > >>>>>  if I were to do a repower today I would go with the Beta.  Both
> > >>>>>  Westerbeake and Beta are as near drop in replacements for the
> > Atomic 4
> > >>>>>  as you will find and are made on the same Kabota block.  When I
> did
> > my
> > >>>>>  repower Beta was the "new kid on the block", but they have now
> been
> > >>>>>  around for a couple decades and actively marketing their product.
> > >>>>>  http://www.betamarinenc.com/
> > >>>>>  http://www.westerbeke.com/pages/westerbekeengines.htm
> > >>>>> Jim Davis
> > >>>>> Privateer Isa Lei
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> If man does find the solution for world peace it will be the most
> > >>> revolutionary
> > >>>>> reversal of his record we have ever known.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> George C. Marshall
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Message: 2
> > >>>>> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 11:37:40 -0400
> > >>>>> From: Jonathan Bresler via Public-List
> > >>>>>      <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > >>>>> To: Wes Gardner <wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>
> > >>>>> Cc: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> > >>>>>      <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Motor Replacement continued
> > >>>>> Message-ID:
> > >>>>>      <CAHEe8TuXU+xQrsEdhPegtLBvg=VyMLK_h=
> > >>> 1cKioVt0HMEgfRJQ at mail.gmail.com>
> > >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Wes,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Don't know what other folks have.
> > >>>>> #262 has a Yanmar 2GM20F installed by the previous owner, Tom
> Baker.
> > >>> Tom
> > >>>>> got two from Florida
> > >>>>> #11 (?) Woody has the other 2GM20F from Tom, as far as I know.
> > >>>>> #247 and #550, which I am familiar with from racing on them, both
> > have
> > >>>>> Atomic 4's
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Jonathan
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Wes Gardner <
> > wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> That sounds correct...I'd just make doubly sure that your oil
> > pressure
> > >>>>>> gauge sender and the one for the alarm (if so installed) are all
> > >>> properly
> > >>>>>> done. This will include ALL blocks built outside of the States.
> By
> > the
> > >>>>>> way, what motor do most folks have (other than the original A4)?
> I
> > may
> > >>>>>> have to consider an alternative if mine can't be rebuilt.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Jonathan Bresler <
> > >>> 262alberg30 at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Seems that Catalina folk have run into the problem of threads
> > sizes as
> > >>>>>>> well as wanting a gauge vs a normally-closed switch.
> > >>>>>>> [1]
> > >>>
> >
> http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/3288/oil-pressure-sender-f
> > >>>>> or-yanmar-diesels.cfm
> > >>>>>>> From looking around a bit it appears that VDO calls the type with
> > two
> > >>>>>>> electrical terminals "floating ground" switch as opposed to
> > "standard
> > >>>>>>> ground" (shorted to engine block).
> > >>>>>>> [2]
> > >>>
> http://www.vdo-instruments.com/sensors/pressure-sensors-switches.html
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Jonathan
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Wes Gardner <
> > >>> wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Good article...could have saved me several grand.  A note about
> > the
> > >>> oil
> > >>>>>>>> pressure sender, when it blows out of the side of the motor, no
> > >>> alarm will
> > >>>>>>>> sound because it needs the ground from the nipple.  The way to
> > avoid
> > >>> this
> > >>>>>>>> is to get a sender that has TWO terminals and ground the ground
> to
> > >>> the
> > >>>>>>>> motor somewhere, that way, when your sender blows out of the
> side
> > of
> > >>> the
> > >>>>>>>> motor, you'll get an alarm (if it's hooked up)...mine was also
> not
> > >>> hooked
> > >>>>>>>> up but wouldn't have worked anyway...
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Jonathan Bresler <
> > >>> 262alberg30 at gmail.com
> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Ouch!
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Was reading earlier this week about a oil pressure senders and
> > the
> > >>>>>>>>> different threads involved.  1/8" NPT vs 1/8 PT on a Yanmar
> > engine.
> > >>>>>>>>> [3]
> > >>>
> > http://www.oceannavigator.com/September-2011/Upgrading-Yanmar-oil-pressu
> > >>>>> re-gauge-and-sender/
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Jonathan
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> References
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>  1.
> > >>>
> >
> http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/3288/oil-pressure-sender-for
> > >>> -yanmar-diesels.cfm
> > >>>>>  2.
> > >>>
> http://www.vdo-instruments.com/sensors/pressure-sensors-switches.html
> > >>>>>  3.
> > >>>
> >
> http://www.oceannavigator.com/September-2011/Upgrading-Yanmar-oil-pressure-g
> > >>> auge-and-sender/
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> > >> --
> > >> Jonathan M Bresler
> > >> Alberg 30 #262
> > >> Annapolis/Eastport MD
> > >>
> > >>
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