[Public-List] I'm Looking to buy Alberg 30!

Tue Mar 31 12:14:26 PDT 2015

I had to laugh at the sales tax issue...

A few years ago the RCN was holding a 'Battle of the Atlantic*' mess dinner
and the venue was a nearby yacht club.  I arrived early, in uniform of
course, so wandered over to the yard where yachts were still up ashore.  I
thought I'd chat with friends before going inside for the dinner.

A funny thing happened.  I'd see people working on their boats from a
distance, but when I got to them, they'd be gone.  This happened several
times till I cornered my friend Henry who first looked quite furtive, then
relaxed when he looked into my face.  He told me word had gone around that
some sort of government inspector in uniform was on the loose.  People
thought I was looking for paperwork.... So they were all shuffling around
avoiding me.  We laughed until our faces hurt.

Gord #426 Surprise

* commemorating the Battle of the Atlantic is for our service what Trafalgar
is to the Brits.  There is a wonderful story of one of our officers at a
Royal Navy event during the war where he was teased about our service being
a young one without traditions of it's own.  The Canadian, who wrote in his
autobiography this was the only time in his life he came up with the right
thing to say replied "yes, you've got your Trafalgar, but we're fighting and
winning our Trafalgar right now in the Atlantic!"  what a great line...

On 31/03/15 3:04 PM, "Kris Coward via Public-List"
<public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> 
It might also be the case that the Americans need to sell their boats
more
> quickly than the Canadians do, and consequently ask less. I'm also
under the
> impression that many Canadians can be pretty sneaky about
avoiding the sales
> tax on their boat, so that might be as much of a
factor in prices as exchange
> rates are..

-Kris

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 02:45:35PM -0400, Dominic Amann
> via Public-List wrote:
> It would have to be the laws of supply and demand.
>
> 
> My theory is that sailboats are somewhat of a luxury good (even superbly
>
> practical working class Alberg 30s), and the Canadian economy did not tank
>
> nearly as hard as the US economy, so perhaps there was a glut of US
>
> sailboats and a shortage of buyers, that is still sustained (but probably
>
> diminishing) in a slow turnover market even up to now. It is also quite
>
> expensive to move a boat from US waters to Canadian, so the border is not
>
> particularly porous, so a differential can be maintained.
> 
> On 31 March
> 2015 at 14:36, David Fay via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> wrote:
> 
> > Gord,
> >
> > It’s an interesting question whether A30 prices
> are higher in Canada and
> > whether that might be because they’re sailed in
> freshwater.
> >
> > From my spreadsheet, I classified each boat location
> according to whether
> > it was salt water or fresh water. This is an
> imperfect process.
> > Furthermore, a boat may migrate from one to another
> over its lifetime. For
> > what it’s worth, though, freshwater boats (n = 28)
> had an average listing
> > price of $15,057, 17% higher than saltwater boats
> (n = 37) at $12,857,
> > supporting your observations.
> >
> > But is this
> because they’re freshwater, or because they’re mostly
> > Canadian? Dividing
> freshwater boats into Canadian and American, we find
> > that Canadian
> freshwater boats (n = 22) average $16,032 but American
> > freshwater boats (n
> = 6) only $11,483, even less than saltwater boats
> > overall. This should be
> taken with a grain of salt though because the
> > sample of American
> freshwater boats is small. But it (weakly) suggests that
> > it’s being
> Canadian rather than freshwater that raises the price.
> >
> > What could make
> Canadian boats more expensive? Here are some possibilities:
> >
> > 1. There
> is a higher demand for A30’s in Canada, driving prices up. After
> > all, it’s
> a Canadian-built boat.
> >
> > 2. Canadians keep their boats up better than
> Americans. Could this be true?
> >
> > 3. It has something to do with the
> exchange rate. However, at current
> > exchange rates, Canadian boats should
> be about 25% less expensive than
> > American boats, all other things being
> equal. That’s obviously not
> > happening, so other things must not be equal.
> But what might those other
> > things be?
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> =======================
> > The sun, moon, and truth are never hidden for very
> long.
> > ― Buddha
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Mar 30, 2015, at 10:45 AM,
> Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Good points Dave -
> >
> >
> > > I've noticed over the years that A30's seem to traffic at higher
> prices
> > than
> > > in the States even considering the exchange rate.
> >
> >
> > > My guess has been that a higher percentage of our boats live their
> lives
> > in
> > > fresh water and that tends to age them more gently...  I
> was very
> > interested
> > > in seeing what trend your research has shown.
>
> > >
> > > I don't think I've ever seen data on a one-design presented as so
>
> > thorough a
> > > snap shot of the current state of affairs.
> > >
> > > Gord
> #426 Surprise
> > >
> > >
> > > On 30/03/15 10:40 AM, "David Fay via
> Public-List"
> > > <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I’ve
> had many requests for my spreadsheet this morning and several
> >
> interesting
> > >> side discussions with people looking for an A30 or selling
> one. One
> > thing that
> > >> has come up for Canadian boats is whether the
> asking price is in
> > Canadian or
> > >> American dollars. In my spreadsheet
> I tried to be careful about that
> > since
> > >> there is a 25% discrepancy
> between the two at current exchange rates.
> > But I
> > >> wasn’t always able
> to tell.
> > >
> > > So, for Canadian sellers, be sure to say what
> > >>
> currency you’re using. And if you’re willing to accept Canadian
> > dollars,
> your
> > >> boat could be much more attractive to an American
> > >> buyer.
>
> > >
> > > David
> > > ===============================
> > > If a man must be
> obsessed by
> > >> something, I suppose a boat is as good as anything, and
> perhaps a bit
> > better
> > >> than most. A small sailing craft is not only
> beautiful, it is seductive
> > and
> > >> full of strange promise and the hint
> of trouble.
> > > ― E. B. White
> > >
> > >> On Mar 30,
> > >> 2015, at 7:27
> AM, David Fay <davidfay999 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I too am
> > >>
> looking for an Alberg 30. I am particularly interested in one with a
> >
> trailer
> > >> and I don’t need an engine since I plan to go electric. But I
> am open
> > to all
> > >> possibilities. No project boats however.
> > >>
> >
> >> I've done a pretty thorough
> > >> search of A30’s currently listed for
> sale and have put together a
> > spreadsheet
> > >> with all the listings. My
> spreadsheet has 81 boats on it, 21 of which
> > have
> > >> been sold in
> recent years (to get an idea of selling prices). Of the 60
> > unsold
> > >>
> boats currently on the market, 13 are what I would call project boats.
> >
> So
> > >> there are 47 boats that I am potentially interested in.
> > >>
> >
> >> For each boat in
> > >> the spreadsheet, I have included year built,
> number, name, location
> > >> (city/town), state (or province), listing date,
> listing price, engine
> > type,
> > >> listing URL, and many other
> attributes.
> > >>
> > >> I’d be happy to send the
> > >> spreadsheet to
> anyone that would like it.
> > >>
> > >> David
> > >>
> > >>
> ===============================
> > >> If you want to go quickly, go alone; if
> you
> > >> want to go far, go together.
> > >> ― African proverb
> > >>
> >
> >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Mar 30,
> > >> 2015, at 1:33 AM, Zlatko Jozic via
> Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> > >>
> <mailto:public-list at lists.alberg30.org>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi Guys-
> >
> >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> I'm looking to buy Alberg 30, preferably
> post 1970 (with balsa core deck
> > >> and
> > >>> added beam support)
> structurally sound in relatively good shape.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> I already
> scanned all boats on  http://www.sailboatlistings.com
> > >>
> <http://www.sailboatlistings.com/>
> > >>>
> > >>> and
> http://www.yachtworld.com
> > >> <http://www.yachtworld.com/> but I'm sure
> there're boats for sale
> > listed
> > >>> on
> > >> local Craigslist or not
> listed online, at all.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Thank you in
> > >>
> advance,
> > >>>
> > >>> Zlatko Jozic
> > >>>
> > >>> Fort Myers, FL
> > >>>
>
> > >>> zlatko at gmail.com
> > >> <mailto:zlatko at gmail.com>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
> >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
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> 
> Where there is a shell, there is a way...
> 
> Dominic Amann
>
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