[Public-List] STANDING RIGGING Maurice's question Public-List Digest, Vol 3037, Issue 1

Michael Connolly via Public-List public-list at lists.alberg30.org
Wed May 27 07:22:00 PDT 2015


Maurice, 
You solution sounds like the way to go. Should work well and be strong. If you don't want/need a toggle at the upper end you could use a sta-loc with a fork to fit over the flat bar. This means one less piece/connection. 
Michael 

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From: "Christine + Maurice via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> 
To: "brian curry" <brian_curry at hotmail.com>, "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:20:50 PM 
Subject: Re: [Public-List] STANDING RIGGING Maurice's question Public-List        Digest, Vol 3037, Issue 1 

Hello, 

Not sure how to post a photo but if you look at the 2013 Nood regatta (Annapolis, MD) video posted on youtube right at the start you get a good shot of the masthead casting with pins for forestay and backstay.  Somehow, Lin Gin managed to insert swage eyes in the slot in the masthead casting.  Probably, ground down a touch as Glenn was sugesting earlier.  I will use machined flat bar stainless to attach to the pins and extend outward then add a toggle to attach sta-loc eyes maybe overkill but should work. 

Cheers, 

Maurice 





> Le 2015-05-26 à 15:46, brian curry via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> a écrit : 
> 
> can anyone send a photo or sketch of what we are talking about here, to get a visuloal? 
> seqxsxs. Dv.  Thanks 
> Brian CurryMakai 151Tampa 
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>> Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 18:00:35 -0400 
>> From: Christine + Maurice via Public-List 
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>> To: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> 
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>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Standing rigging 
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>> Hello again 
>> 
>> The issue is with the toggle at the top, seems none exist that can fit in the masthead casting.  They are not long enough and too thick.  So i think i will use a combination much to what both Gord and Glenn propose swage eyes and extensions.  Should be better then the current forestay that has a broken strand between thimble and nicropress, that needs to go. 
>> 
>> Thanks for all your help, 
>> 
>> Maurice 
>> Avoca #322 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The swage 
>>> Le 2015-05-24 ? 13:09, Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> a ?crit : 
>>> 
>>> Just a thought... 
>>> 
>>> We commonly supply stays and shrouds with the top end terminated with a 
>>> swaged eye... the bottom a couple of feet long and a swageless stud for the 
>>> turnbuckle.  The owner can then easily attach the top end (saving the cost 
>>> of the swageless fitting there) then cut the lower end to the right length 
>>> using the old stay as a pattern.  The swageless terminal can be fitted on 
>>> using a couple of wrenches.  I like them a lot. 
>>> 
>>> On the fore stay, it is a good idea to have a toggle up at the top in 
>>> addition to the usual one at the bottom if the yacht is fitted with a 
>>> furler... 
>>> 
>>> Gord #426 Surprise 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 24/05/15 11:21 AM, "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote: 
>>>> 
>>>> Good morning, 
>>>> 
>>>> There's a very good marine store near the Britannia Yacht Club called The 
>>>> Chandlery you probably already know... They can get or make whatever you need. 
>>>> They carry StaLock and Blue Wave swageless terminals.  Hi Mod are not widely 
>>>> used here on Canada. 
>>>> 
>>>> I'm one of their suppliers; if the person you deal with there isn't familiar 
>>>> with what you need, let me know, I can help break the log jam. 
>>>> 
>>>> Gord #426 Surprise. 
>>>> 
>>>> On 2015-05-24, at 9:32 AM, Christine + Maurice via Public-List 
>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote: 
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello again, 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you Glenn this is exactly the predicament i am in.  I guess I have the 
>>>>> original setup! It would be great if anyone knows where to secure a 7/16 
>>>>> toggle about 3 inches in length, I'm located in Ottawa Ontario.  Otherwise, 
>>>>> we will likely go with a tang or flat bar route Glenn is suggesting that 
>>>>> should work.  I never thought about the staloc will mention that to the 
>>>>> rigger!  Anyone with more input would be welcomed! 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks all! 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maurice 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Le 2015-05-24 ? 03:25, Glenn Brooks via Public-List 
>>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> a ?crit : 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I didn't explain very well previously, but as I recall from several years 
>>>>>> ago, the hi-mod fittings I used were to thick in cross section to fit 
>>>>>> between the the prongs of the original mast head casting - where the 1/2" 
>>>>>> pin mounts.  I resolved the non-fit problem by grinding down the thickness 
>>>>>> of the hi mod terminal,ends to slip into the existing two arms of the mast 
>>>>>> head casting.  The  local riggers were aghast of course, but the remaining 
>>>>>> 7/16" stainless fitting had something like 35000 # breaking strength some 
>>>>>> felt safe enough doing so.  Couple years later I had the entire mast head 
>>>>>> replaced with a custom 3 sheeve mast head, with welded aluminum tangs for 
>>>>>> both forestry and backstay, so got rid of the original mast head fitting 
>>>>>> entirely. Well not entirely, it's still in my shop awaiting s new home... 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But, to be super safe, make up the short 3" extension to allow the forestry 
>>>>>> and backstay to connect to the masthead without getting jammed into the to 
>>>>>> skinny  space where the existing 1/2" pin fits. You don't need a swivel at 
>>>>>> the masthead, so long as the pin allows the stays to flex in the vertical 
>>>>>> plane.... 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The other thing about hi mods or sta loc is that they seem to be very common 
>>>>>> these days via mail order, and can be installed by anyone. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hope this is a better explanation than what I wrote the first time. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Glenn B 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 23, 2015, at 9:11 PM, Gordon Laco via Public-List 
>>>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote: 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Good evening friends 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Glenn's on the right track; and 1/2" pin fittings should be very common. 
>>>>>>> Where are you located? Perhaps we can direct you to a supplier 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Gord 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 2015-05-23, at 8:01 PM, Christine + Maurice via Public-List 
>>>>>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote: 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hello looking for assistance with rigging.  I am having the fore stay and 
>>>>>>>> back stay replaced and the rigger does not want to replace with thimble 
>>>>>>>> and nicropress as original.  Rigger is suggesting a toggle on the 1/2 pin 
>>>>>>>> at masthead and attached to a swage terminal. Which creates a universal 
>>>>>>>> joint.   Problem is we are having a hard time sourcing this hardware. My 
>>>>>>>> Alberg  seems to have the original setup.  Any guidance on how you have 
>>>>>>>> your rigging secured at the mast head would be greatly appreciated. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cheers, 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Maurice 
>>>>>>>> Avoca #322 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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